Hi Ed; I don't understand what you mean by the doping becoming degenerate and acting like a metal can you be more explicit. If I am correct the dopant does not have free electrons (they still reside in the valence band) and a metal does (electrons reside in the conduction band). Thanks Justin -----Original Message----- From: Ed Sayre III [mailto:esayre3@xxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:45 AM To: rfengg@xxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Doping effects. Hi George, A question right up my alley! When you dope a semiconductor you are just providing more free electrons or holes, dependant on the dopant, to reduce the resistivity. This is illustrated by the increases the drift=20 current through the material., At some point the doping becomes degenerate,=20 at which time the material is less silicon and more dopant. Basically=20 increasing the doping of a semiconductor makes it behave more like a metal,=20 to the point of degeneracy then it changes back.. This method of=20 degenerate doping can also be used to create an insolating layer in a=20 silicon substrate for isolation. There are a very limited number of pure metals that are=20 superconductors, Niobium the most commonly used and the one with the=20 highest transition temperature, 4K. Others are Aluminum and Tin. The=20 transition temperature is the temperature at which a material becomes=20 superconducting. If you look at a resistivity versus temperature plot of=20 most materials and extrapolate to 0 K the resistivity does not go to zero=20 at 0 K, even superconductors above Tc. A superconductor will look like a=20 normal metal then transition, in a step wise fashion(the transition=20 region), to 0 resistance, at Tc, under DC conditions. Since we use the interconnects of a chip, package, or system at=20 frequencies other than DC there is also another interesting=20 behavior. Superconductors actually have measurable loss at frequencies=20 above DC. These losses become significant and then pass those of cooled Copper or Aluminum at about 100GHz for temperature of 77K (Liquid=20 Nitrogen). So the interesting thing is that cryo-cooled normal metals=20 actually perform better at high frequencies than high temperature or low temperature superconductors. Ramo, Whinnery and VanDuzer, 3rd edition,=20 have an excellent plot of this on page 152 figure 3.16b. BTW, this was one of the areas of my research. Hope this helps. Regards ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NORTH EAST SYSTEMS ASSOCIATES, INC -------------------------------------=20 "High Performance Engineering & Design" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. Edward Sayre 3rd e-mail: esayre3@xxxxxxxx NESA, Inc. http://www.nesa.com/ 5 Lan Drive, Suite 200 Tel +1.978.392-8787 x 218 Westford, MA 01886 USA Fax +1.978.392-8686 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 03:30 PM 3/21/2003 +1100, you wrote: > Hi all, > If doping increases the conductivity of Silicon , why cant we=20 > attain superconductivity with heavy doping of a material? Whats the=20 > phenomenon that limits the conductivity if we actually do increase=20 > carriers by doping? > >Thanks and regards, >George. > > > >_____________________________________________________________ >Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. >http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=3Dplus&ref=3Dlmtplus >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages=20 Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu