Steven - We have used the Valor Enterprise 3000 software for several years to verify hundreds of design done using Cadence Allegro layout tools. You can verify the allegro board database as well as input gerber files and compare them to IPC net lists. It works best if you get a consultant to help w/ script automation & design rule checks to streamline checking time. If you would like additional info, feel free to contact me offline.=20 Thanks,John John Koehne Cadpros PCB Design, Inc. 256 Gibraltar Drive, Suite 101 Sunnyvale, CA 94089 PH# 408-734-9600 x10 FX# 408-734-9605 john@xxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bert Simonovich Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:25 AM To: ray.anderson@xxxxxxxxxx; steven.salkow@xxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Stuart, Ken; ronald.s.wong@xxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Design For Manufacturing assessment Tools for PCB Designs Ray- Valor works equally well for PCBs from Cadence databases.=3D20 Bert Simonovich Signal integrity and Backplane Architecture Nortel -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray Anderson Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:58 AM To: steven.salkow@xxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Stuart, Ken; ronald.s.wong@xxxxxxxx; Ray Anderson Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Design For Manufacturing assessment Tools for PCB Designs Steven- Have you looked at the Valor DFM tools? See: http://www.valor.com/SolutionDFM.jsp I can't comment on this tools use with PCBs but we do make use of it for Package substrate designs. (runs on Win XP and interfaces well to Cadence design databases) -Ray Raymond Anderson Senior Signal Integrity Staff Engineer Product Technology Department Advanced Package R&D Xilinx Inc. -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Salkow, Steven Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:10 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Stuart, Ken; ronald.s.wong@xxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Design For Manufacturing assessment Tools for PCB Designs Colleagues: We have tried Adiva DFM tools here at Lockheed but they are difficult to use and currently only come in a UNIX version that works poorly with WIN XP. I am interesting in hearing from my peers on experiences with different possibly better tool for validating PCB designs. We do the back end design with Allegro 15.2 Thanks in advance Steven Salkow Lockheed IS&S 3130 Zanker Rd, San Jose Ca. 94588 (408) 473-4058 steven.salkow@xxxxxxxx salkow@xxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =3D20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =3D20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu