Darren both products can give you an accurate answer. Make sure that you have set-up your model ground bounding box correctly so that the etch on both the cpw layer and the ground layer connect to it. The usual problem is the opposite: where plane layers inadvertently get connected to the bounding box. You should be able to run a reduced accuracy model in much less time in order to get a sanity check. Steve. On 10/28/2013 8:58 AM, Darren O'Connor wrote: > Hello, > We are simulating an RF bandpass filter using both Mentor Graphics (MG) and > AWR Microwave Office. The layout implements a coplanar waveguide with a > ground plane 10 mils beneath it. In MG we are using a finite ground plane, > and we had connected an advanced extension port pair to the signal (+1) and > ground (-1). When we simulated the filter response in MG 3-D EM tools, we got > very poor results, and I now believe it is because we did not connect ports > to the adjacent ground planes surrounding our signal on the top routing > level. We are currently attempting to compare the results of MG and AWR for > this circuit, and to correct our port connections, but it has been difficult > to find any examples of how this should be set up. > > Is there anyone in this group who has either set up such a port structure or > knows how to do so that could get back to me? It may be that it is as simple > as connecting more of the (-1) advanced extension ports; however, the > simulation takes many many days, so any help getting it right the first time > would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Darren O'Connor > Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics > (303)492-7613 > ................................................... ... . .. > ........................................ ..... ..... . .... > .................,,,:,,IDNDD88DDND88,,...,.................. > ..............,~=~:8DD?=?I$$7:OOOOOO888D7,,,,..... . .. > ...........,~+I~8D$=?I+==?==888O8888OO8O888+,,:............. > .........,+?7ˆ=?+=+?+7=OOO888OOOO88OOOOOOO8O:,~........... > .......,+?$I88=?+:,~7$788888OO8888OOO88OZOOOOO8Z,:.. . .. > ......~7$$88+?+,.,+OO$8O888?$8D7ZDD7OOZOOOZZOO8O8=:+........ > .....+$8$D8??=...+O$D888O8++OZ$ODNZD8OOOZOOZZOOO88I:+....... > ...,?O8$DDII,...:$ND8888OO?=,.,=ZNOD88OOOZOOZOOOO8DZ~+...... > ..,I88ODDI7.....+ONNO88OOO8==..=ZZD$888OZZO8OO8OO88DZ~I..... > .,+O8DDN77......?8MNO88888O8=?:7ZDZOOO888OZZOO8OZO8DD7~=.... > .=Z8N8D77.......?8NNDDD888O88++ODO88OOZOOOO8OZOOZO88DD?+.... > :7DNDDO7I.......+8NDMDD88O888O$OOOOO88OOZZO88ZOZZO88DDD=O... > +ODND87$........~$NMMN88OO888OO88OOOOOOOOZZOOZOZZZO88DDII... > 7DNM88IO.........?8NMMM8888OOOOO88OZZZOOOZZO8OZOZZO88DDO?... > ZNMMDD7... . . ..,?ONNMMM8888OOOO8888OZZOOOZO8OZOOZO8DDN?+.. > ONMM8O7............=$8NNMMMMD88OOOOO8888OO88OOOZO8OO88DNI8.. > 8NMMDO7. .... . ...,=7ODNNMMMMMMN88OOOOOOZOZZZOO88OO8DDID.. > 8NMM8OI. .. .... ...,~+I$O8DNMMMMN8OOOO8OO8Z8OO8OO88DI8.. > 8NMM88?. . . . ......,~+7ODNNMMM8OO88OOOZZZZOOO8DI=.. > ONNM88+O.. . . .......,+$8NMMM8O88OZZZOOOOOO8OI... > ZDNMD8II.. . . . ..........,+ZNMNM88OOZ8O88O8OO87$... > 7DMNNDO=O ..... .....OZZ?O$7......=ZNNNNOOOO88O8O8888I8 .. > +ONON88I=.... . ..,~8DOOIZZ$+?......+ON8N888O8OZOO88877.... > :7DMDND8++... . .:I8DN8DDD88Z+,.... :7DNNO88OOZZOO8D$I,.... > .~ZNNNDD8=+.. . .~ZNZNZDDDD8??. .....?DNNZ8OOOZOOOD7I7..... > ..+ONNDDDD~~,.. .,IDMZN8DDD??,.......?8MN7O8OOOOO8I?I...... > .,?ONMDD8D+:?.. ..~$DNZDID??:.......,ID$D88OOO888I??....... > ...,+ONNODID7:~,....~$DNIDI+,........~Z78I88O888O++:........ > .....=ZDN?DODD=:~:...:IZI~=.........:I=ZID88888===,......... > .....:IONN7DIDD~:,~,..,...........~=I?8D8888===,........... > ........~78NN78$DDN~,,,:::.,.,:~::~~:D8DD88:=~:..... .... . > ........,xDM+88I8DD8I::,,,,:,=DND8DD8~=+~,...... . . .. > ............~?Z8ND=Z887=ID8DDDDDDDO~~+I+::,.......... ...... > ..............,~?$O8DN$=?7$ZZZZ$7I+~:?=,.................... > ..................,:=+I77$$$$77I+=:,.................. ..... > ........................................................... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > List forum is accessible at: > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > -- Steve Weir IPBLOX, LLC 1580 Grand Point Way MS 34689 Reno, NV 89523-9998 www.ipblox.com (775) 299-4236 Business (866) 675-4630 Toll-free (707) 780-1951 Fax All contents Copyright (c)2013 IPBLOX, LLC. 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