Chai: Several of the gurus will tell you that what you actually want are loosely coupled pairs. Howard Johnson discusses this in some of his presentations. A trace width that is a little less than you need to get single ended 50 Ohms with the pair spacing such that you achieve 100 Ohms will achieve this. There are several benefits to this approach including less impedance discontinuities when you have to separate the pair when going through a pin field. Regards, -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Ched-Chang Chai Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:07 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Choosing W and S for Differential signal? Dear all, I have doubt in choosing trace width (W) and separation (S) for differential signals. (1) According to some articles/books, we should use the smallest S that can be made by the PCB maker for better coupling and EMC control. However for certain differential signal, the smallest S can not satisfy the required Zdiff. Since PCB stack-up has been fixed earlier in some cases, we cannot change the stack-up to get the required Zdiff. In such case, which is more important: to satisfy the required Zdiff by increasing S or still use the smallest S? (2) For certain differential signals, we need to satisfy both Zdiff for the pair and Zo of a single line in the pair. For example, DVI requires Zdiff=100+/-15% and Zo=50+/-15%. As such, it is very difficult to fulfill both at the same time. Again which is more important: Zdiff or Zo? Please advise. Thank you very much in advance. -- Regards, Chai _________________________________________________________________ Are you in love? Find a date on MSN Personals http://match.msn.com.my/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu