HI, Sometimes a Tantalum dielectric is preferred. One place where you would not want to consider ceramic capacitors is in low frequency applications that require a low ESR. You may not want ceramic capacitors in applications such as decoupling a VCO or PLL charge pump (in addition to high frequency ceramic), for improved jitter and phase noise performance. The ESR and frequency response are not the best choice for a high performance design. You may not want ceramic capacitors in audio and low level/low frequency analog applications like amplifiers, filters, etc. Some applications are sensitive to microphonics (flexing of the multi-stacked dielectric and deposited electrodes creating a piezoelectric effect that follows the vibration source). COG dielectrics help in this situation, but have small values and require paralleling to get higher values. Here you will need low ESR down to DC and if in a mechanically noisy environment, the microphonics may introduce problems. A definite drawback to Tantalum capacitors is they are polarized. Being a polarized component, sometimes you must deal with biasing an AC signal, reverse surge currents then become an issue to work around. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Michael_Poimboeuf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Michael_Poimboeuf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 3:01 PM To: martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Chip caps vs. Tantalum There are lots of factors favoring ceramic over tantalum - as well as some the other way round. The foremost factor in my experience is reliability and safety. Tantalum caps are more prone to failure due to surge current from fast turn-on. If you search the web for surge current failure modes in tantalum capacitors I think you may be able to track down the papers regarding circuit designs to limit inrush current for tantalum applications. For instance: https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/AN1542-D.PDF I was involved in an unpublished study regarding computer system failure, explosions, fire and so forth due to inrush current failure... In my study we found that the tantalum capacitors failed because they were overheated by the contract manufacturer during assembly and rework and that inrush current caused them to fail (spectacularly) in the field afterwards. If chip caps give you sufficient Xc over the frequency and temperature range you're designing for, and if you can tolerate microphonic noise and other issues with ceramics, then ceramics are better. -- Michael Poimboeuf mkp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Martin Euredjian" <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on 08/19/2002 10:37:46 AM Please respond to martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx cc: (bcc: Michael K Poimboeuf/AM/Avid) Subject: [SI-LIST] Chip caps vs. Tantalum I've been trying to figure out what the differences might be between large-value (1 to 100uF) chip caps and similarly valued Tantalums. This, of course, as it pertains to PDS or switch-mode DC-DC converter design. When/Why might one choose a chip cap over a Tantalum? What are the advantages/disadvantages in comparison? I've seen pictures of modern DC-DC modules that seem to use several large-value chip caps. If that's the case, why did the designer go this route? 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