[SI-LIST] Re: Capacitor optimization

  • From: Istvan Novak <istvan.novak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: priyadeva27@xxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 09:38:10 +0200

Priya,

Real estate on the back side of a chip can be considered 'free': we usually
cant place other components there. So it may be worth using all possible
power-ground pin pairs. Using ten capacitors, their cumulative loop
inductance
will be around 100-150pH; unless you use thin laminates, you will be as
good for high-frequency inductance as you can ever achieve.

Regards,
Istvan Novak
Oracle



On 7/7/2015 7:24 AM, Priya D wrote:

Steve,
Thank you for the explanation. Also I have a doubt regarding the number
of decaps we can place in the other side of the DUT (below the power
pins). If suppose there are 10 power pins in DUT should I place only less
than 10 decaps below DUT. How to determine the maximum capacitance
loading.
Regards,
Priya
On Jul 6, 2015 11:01 PM, "steve weir" <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It depends. Generally EDA software such as Sigrity generates an
acceptable approach. If the interconnect inductance dominates impedance
to the UUT, then the distributed capacitor values do little to flatten
the impedance seen by the UUT. The UUT sees the PDN as inductive down
typically to a few MHz. Using different values of capacitors will have
an impact on resonances at the board level. Distributing the capacitors
by value around a uniform power cavity will tend to minimize the
resonant peaks. Beware assumptions as there are exceptions.

Steve

On 7/6/2015 10:09 AM, Priya D wrote:
Hi experts,
I need a clarification regarding capacitor placement order in PCB.
Generally the capacitor value should be in decreasing order from the
source towards sink (tester region - POGO to DUT).
When I optimize the capacitor values using EDA tool to the lower power
impedance in the frequency range of DC to 50MHz, cap values are optimized
in such a way that the values scatter randomly in the PCB instead of
lower
value decap at DUT, mid value cap near DUT and bulk cap at POGO region.

Will this random optimization have any impact??


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