when I calculate the DDR2 data setup and hold margin, I use the formula(Write Case, have not included crosstalk and ISI effect):setup margin = Tsetup_controller_output - Tdata_delay_max + Tdqs_delay_min - Tsetup_receiver delay max is measured to the Vih(when rise)delay min is measured to the Vil(when rise) I think that the interconnect timing budget should include the skew measured between Vil and Vih. But in Micron document:Micron DDR2-533 Memory design guide for two-DIMM unbuffered systems, the DDR2 Write Budget is estimated in the table below:(You can also download it from website: http://download.micron.com/pdf/technotes/ddr2/tn_47_01.pdf) ELEMENT KEW COMPONENT SETUP HOLD UNITS Transmitter Total Skew at Transmitter 325 325 ps Clock Data/Strobe PLL jitter 25 25 ps DRAM device tDH/tDS 100 225 ps total Device 350 350 ps Interconnect XTK (cross talk) - DQ 55 55 ps XTK (cross talk) - DQS 40 40 ps ISI - DQ 30 30 ps ISI - DQS 5 5 ps Input Capacitance Matching 25 25 ps REFF Mismatch 10 10 ps Input Eye Reduction (VREF) 25 25 ps Path Matching (Board) 25 25 ps Path Matching (Module) 10 10 ps Total Interconnect Interconnect Skew 225 225 psTotal Budget 1875/2 @ 533 MHz 937.5 937.5 psTotal Budget Consumed by Controller and DRAM Transmitter + DRAM + Interconnect 925 925 psInterconnect Budget Total-(Transmitter + DRAM + Interconnect) 12.5 12.5 ps It seemed that the interconnect budget data in the table do not include the skew caused by Vil and Vih. If considering the skew caused by Vil and Vih, the interconnect budget will be negative.Can the skew caused by Vil and Vih be ignored orit has been included in the the total interconnect skew in the table? Thanks,Jeffrey Yang _________________________________________________________________ ÓëÁª»úµÄÅóÓѽøÐн»Á÷£¬ÇëʹÓà MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com/cn ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu