All, Which 2.5 D numerical softwares are available in the market besides = Agilent Momentum and Ansoft Designer? I am trying to use it to analyze = FBGA packages and printed circuit board structures. Thank you Hao Wang Micron Technology Inc. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Panch Chandrasekaran [mailto:panch_si@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 4:12 PM To: arpad.muranyi@xxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Behavioral modeling Arpad, Thanks for your reply. There is a general feeling that IBIS is not very = accurate for multi-gigabit/s data streams and it is a pain to = incorporate features like pre-emphasis etc. Any thoughts on this.=20 =20 Panch "Muranyi, Arpad" <arpad.muranyi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Have you checked into IBIS modeling? http://www.eigroup.org/ibis/ibis.htm Arpad =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D= 3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D -----Original Message----- From: Panch Chandrasekaran [mailto:panch_si@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 11:22 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: panch_si@xxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Behavioral modeling All, What is a good way to do behavioral modeling? Running SPICE for high =3D speed simulations ( 3 - 4 Gbps) can be very time consuming especially = =3D with backplane,via, connector models etc. I have heard that VHDL AMS and = =3D Cadence's DML are options that can used with their tools. Is there a =3D simpler way to do it with reasonable accuracy? Stuff that can be imported into SPICE tools and that will save on =3D simulation times. =3D20 Thanks for your thoughts. =3D20 Panch Chandrasekaran --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: =3D20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages=3D20 Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =3D20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at:=20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages=20 Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages=20 Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu