If you say so. I've shown under breeder judges at all breeds and had some success. But ,I guess my dogs are just mediocre. . Diane EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 3/22/2005 12:08:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx writes: why are all breed shows getting bigger and specialties getting smaller-we had better figure that one out fast-Kris Maybe it's because a person can take a mediocre dog get a known handler [or not] and show under a toy poodle breeder and have a shot. Fred M --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================