I totally agree with Kathy on this. My first Sheltie's last litter was born 69!! days from her last breeding. Ginger Cleary He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself. ~Thomas Paine My Ebay site <http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=ginny2003> Rome, GA http://www.rihadin.com/ -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:16 AM To: EHomesG@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: whelping pups question In a message dated 3/27/2006 9:47:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, EHomesG@xxxxxxx writes: The 63rd day from the last date of breeding is today. Many are suggesting C section. Any help? It may be 63 days from her last breeding, but unless your friend did progesterone testing, you don't know if it's 63 days from ovulation. Since sperm can remain viable for a # of days, you may be looking at 2-3-4 days before her actual due date. I'd keep a close eye on her, but if she is happy and content, I wouldn't be too quick to have a c-section. Have your friend keep an eye on things like how her milk has dropped, (back only or front breasts too?), her eating habits, the viscosity of her vaginal discharge etc. for clues. If your friend hasn't been taking temps, she should be, although at this late date she may have missed the a drop in temp. Watch and see if she's nesting (some nest for only an hour, some for a few days, but you're looking for changes in behavior here), if she doing odd things like staring at the wall etc. She'll pant as she goes into labor (again, some pant for a while, some a few minutes). Don't rush it. If she's in trouble, she'll tell you and your friend will have time to act. Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================