has everyone forgotten that it isn't just the sire that may have the "bad" genes? you bitch could easily bring with her huge problems.. ones that you will never know about until bred to the "right" male..So keep looking for the best dog, but recognize that it ain't all him.. we have to try to stop playing Mother Nature, get on with the job of researching lines - finding out what works with what lines and take it as it comes..I know, this is difficult when some breeders lie through their gold teeth about what their lines have produced, but if you can't deal with that, then you definitely are in the wrong arena.. I certainly HOPE that breeders don't set out to produce health defects in their puppies..It's just a matter of trying to do the best breeding.. also, you can do the same breeding three times in a row and get three different results/concerns in the litters.. Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds http://www.shadowacre.com/future.htm Updated Sept 7./04!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> To: <RckyIizard@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:15 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] was Ruining the breed in three generations. > > > In a message dated 12/8/2004 2:54:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > RckyIizard@xxxxxxx writes: > I will never ever breed > to a dog I know carries serious health issues > > Liz, honey, what Dania was trying to point out is that there are lots of > things to be concerned with. There aren't any pedigrees absent ALL of them. > You do your best not to double up, which, could get a lot easier if there were > markers for things. > > > Kathy > > visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ > (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================