Well, you're right.. the average JQP shouldn't have one of these dogs... but short of a ban, you aren't going to stop it from happening. What is needed is more widespread education on why they are not desirable, or barring that if you do get one it MUST be well trained and socialized from the very beginning. And I don't mean the kind of idiotic piece that was on TV not long ago about the Caucasian Mtn Dog. I could just see the "my dog is badder than your dog" types flocking to that breed after that show. shudder..... Ginger Cleary, Rome, GA Proud member GSDCA and Sawnee Mtn Kennel Club www.rihadin.com -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of marcatogsd@xxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 12:44 PM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: update on killer dog in coral spring fl This is a dog that wasn't properly raised or handled, and both dog and owner paid the ultimate price. I HATE BSL, but these aren't dogs that should be living in suburbia I don't think (this doesn't mean a ban, just that they are not fit for that lifestyle). They need to do the job they were bred for. It's even more important for them than it is for our own breed! The Presa. Caucasian, and Fila have temperaments that dictate more strongly than any other breed thenecessity to be independent and think for themselves. These breeds were bred to have the ability to second guess their owners if they were around in a time of danger, because lets face it, even an officer with a patrol dog will second guess himself. He's sending his dog after saomebody who may very well be armed and dangerous. This dog is his partner, friend, and companion, and while he's sending his dog in for the bite, while he has the utmost trust in his dog's abilities, the rest of his body just has to be tense and thinking "God I hope he makes it back OK. Maybe if I call him back now, nothing will happen." It is sheer restraint an officer is giving, and trust that his dog will handle the situation away from his partner. We don't want to see our dogs hurt, so when a wolf is attackingyour flock of sheep and you don't have the time to get away, and you see your dog charging out there roaring like a Lion to either kill or chase away the predator, you may inadvertently scream "DOG COME!" Because you don't want to witness yoru dog's injury or death. In these situations, the dog MUST make the hoice "Obey, or protect"...and these dogs are going to protect. They HAVE to. That's what they're for. Average Joe Idiot shouldn't have one, but in the right situations they can be great dogs. I don't condone nor excuse these dogs actions. People shouldn't confuse my understanding of the incident for forgiving it. - Jackie ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================