[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: too many titles ?
- From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "TRAFALGAR" <TRAFALGARgsds@xxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:06:18 -0500
The last part of your post I am in full agreement. Training can easily mask
any shyness.The last paragraph I strongly disagree with..furthering this
discussion and many others as of late is like beating a dead
horse..C.Grainger
> [Original Message]
> From: TRAFALGAR <TRAFALGARgsds@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 7/16/2006 5:44:35 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: too many titles ?
>
> No contradictions at all...first off the breeders showcase is a new
> (proposed) event, not an additional title for accomplishments already
> covered in many cases by other titles ( i.e Select Excellent = OFA hips,
> elbows ,Select at the US Nat'l....I doubt anyone specifically pursues a
> "Select Excellent", I think individuals would pursue OFA H&E and a Select,
> based solely on the merits of each)....secondly, I see the breeders
> showcase, as an event designed to increase participation in showing the
get
> of sires/ dams which might not otherwise be shown for all the reasons
> already covered...and finally, I must admit to having missed the part
> regarding a "title" for the breeders showcase ( I skim list postings, I
just
> can't read it all")...my position, as I thought I stated earlier, was that
> if you put titles with the breeders showcase, you will end up with the
same
> (perceived negative) issues associated with the current Futurity system.
>
> I've made no comment about the gun test, but since you referenced it, I
> think it's a waste of time....folks will train their dogs to get past it,
> just like I watched dogs in the center ring get the "leash pop" signal to
> know you better stand there, or the "dog that can't take their eyes off
the
> handlers hands while the judge is approaching, because they've been
"baited
> " to the point that they forget about/become oblivious to the "judge"
> approaching them....
>
> Anyway, hope this address's any concerns re: contradictions...let's keep
an
> open, positive mindset here and through constructive discussion, we might
> actually I.D. the Problems, develop some Actions and end up with positive
> Results.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike
>
> TRAFALGAR German Shepherds
> Michael & Susan Cheeks
> TRAFALGARgsds@xxxxxxxxx
> 610-827-1833
>
>
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>
> Msg: #7 in digest
> From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: too many titles ?
> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:29:34 -0500
>
> I am confused. some of you have advocated the new Breeder's showcase(
> another title to parallel the fut/mat. system) but then state a few weeks
> later that you feel we are diminishing the value of current titles by
> adding more titles..someone wake me up from this nightmare of
> contradictions. Seems perhaps we want to pick and choose what titles we
> want to add or what venues to create for more titles maybe this is based
on
> where some feel they can best compete. Bottom line is that we don't need
> anymore titles. Some of you who are advocating this "gun" test concept
went
> off the deep end a while back when a judge dismissed some dogs from the
> ring with poor temperament.I heard every excuse..the judges approach was
> wrong..his jacket was flapping in the wind..blah blah blah..not once did I
> hear anyones say "my dog is unsound and I need to not show him or breed
him
> anymore" Perhaps to the gun test we could add the "Thunderstorm"
> test..after all a good herding dog shouldn't be noise shy
period.C.Grainger
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: TRAFALGAR <TRAFALGARgsds@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 7/16/2006 10:38:13 AM
> > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: too many titles ?
> >
> > Well, let me open Pandora's box......is there a possibility that we can
> have
> > so many titles, that they start to become meaningless....meaningless not
> to
> > those who earned them, but to everyone else....who even knows what 1/2
of
> > the available GSDCA + AKC titles (performance + conformation + social
> titles
> > -such as CGC) even stand for...if we even know what the acronym stands
> for,
> > do we have any clue as to what is involved in obtaining the title?
> >
> > I'm not for abolishing any existing titles, but I sure hope we think
long
> > and hard on new programs & titles....titles not to appease those who
> didn't
> > accomplish one thing or another, but titles to reflect true effort &
> > achievement.....before you all beat me up, there is no intent here to
> demean
> > anyone's accomplishments....I just want to make sure we don't dilute
those
> > accomplishments by adding additional titles that might do just that.
> >
> > Ok...now set me straight....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > TRAFALGAR German Shepherds
> > Michael & Susan Cheeks
> > TRAFALGARgsds@xxxxxxxxx
> > 610-827-1833
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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