I'm not sure how to put this, but I would think (hope) that our specialty judges at least can tell a dog's temperament by putting his/her hands on the dog and/or looking in his eyes (not staring). Most judges have their own way of judging temperament. Some want a stronger temperament and character than many dogs have. They settle for those that pass the temperament "evaluation." I agree that it should be done loose lead and away from the other dogs, because dogs get security from other dogs and sometimes from the handler, especially if the dog is owner handled. I am probably the only one on this list that has ever owned a "spook," (or 2 <G>) The dog was totally fine stacked or on a tight leash, or with the co-owner she lived with on the end of the lead. She would have passed the loose lead test if her co-owner was on the other end of the lead. That was her security. In judging temperament, you need to watch subtle body movements too. Haven't you seen a dog on lead, bark and lunge and attack the "bad guy" almost pulling the lead out of the handlers hand, and then have the handler give the dog more lead and the dog either stays where it is, or goes just a step further? He really doesn't want to get closer to the bad guy. He has an area of security that he doesn't want to leave, be it 8 ft away or 3 ft or whatever. Different dogs have different distances. Some dogs are secure anywhere. A lot of times, they are what we make them, but they need the character to start with. Our temperament evaluation is just the bare minimum of what we should expect in a dog. I want a confident dog that is excellent with kids, accepting of strangers, (but NOT necessarily friendly) and aggressive when needed. I don't expect a puppy to be secure everywhere. They need to learn confidence. I hate to see puppies "evaluated" at all. I see lots of golden retriever temperament in GSDs. Not bad temperament, but not GSD temperament. Seems to me that most of the temperament "evaluation" is for the spectators/exhibitors. We are asking for some kind of justification of our judges for their placings. If we don't see the dog tremble or duck, then the judge must be wrong with his evaluations? JMO. Ready, aim, fire. Nancie Nancie Front Range German Shepherd Rescue ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the Poster and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original poster AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For technical help and administrative matters, please contact the List Administrators at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================