well just letting you all know that these pup belongs to me and my friend.these pup took res,winners dog the day,and he is a very happy pup.it is very sad that some judges try to push them on the dogs,also it is sad that the public sees these and thinks that our breed goes to hell ,I think that's why we do not see many pups in the ring,because we all worry about what kind of experienced the dog will get .I guess nobody did think to call the rep.and I also think that the rep.would not have change anything.so I told my friend just let it go.it took a lot of talking to her that is nothing wrong with the dog,and we will keep up showing him.but in the future we will be carefull under what judges we show him.I don't have any problem with the loose lead test but many judges don't know how to do it.we need to educate the all breed judges about our breed and that is up to the parent club.I thank everybody for all there interest what happened these weekend,and hope that the parentclub will look into these.regard doris ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the Poster and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original poster AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For technical help and administrative matters, please contact the List Administrators at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================