[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: temperament testing
- From: "Amy Safdir" <almanya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:20:08 -0500
There are definite pros and cons of the temperament test.
One very legitimate argument is that we put such emphasis on it that it
certainly draws attention to the fact that we must think our own breed has
poor temperament problems to pronounce a huge emphasis on it by requiring
such a big display.
I find it hard to believe that judges who judge our breed can't tell poor
temperament without a drawn out production. The eyes of the dog tell so much
and the reaction the dog has when you are examining it should say alot. I
fail to believe that our judges can't tell poor temperament without this
test. I give them alot more credit than this. I think they are smart and can
tell poor temperament. It is more for the ringside in my opinion than for
the judges.
It is also a legitimate argument to say that we should be doing the test in
order to say poor temperament is untolerable and undesired in our breed. For
a GSD with poor temperament is inexcusable.
Also is it being performed properly and is it being done uniformly by every
judge and is every judge faulting it the same ?? Do some judges expect a
golden retriever temperament? Do some actually award aloofness or do they
penalize it since they couldn't come up and give the dog a big whopping hug
and pat to the side that nearly knocks their footing off ? And what happens
when the dog gets that big pat on the side and disagrees with it by standing
his ground ? Will he be penalized ? But what message are we sending out by
doing it or not doing it ?? I don't think this is a topic anyone will ever
come to an agreement on.
Amy Safdir
Almanya Shepherds
www.almanyagsd.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Margery Golant" <mgolant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <glenwood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:51 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Utah National
>
> Things are rarely as they seem. Please don't yell "fire" in a crowded
> theater.
>
> There was no debacle. There was spontaneous discussion at the Board
> meeting regarding problems with the in-ring temperament evaluation,
> particularly when incorrectly administered by certain judges, and on the
> problems this can cause, both to the affected animals and their owners,
> and to perceptions among all-breed judges and the public. In fact, on
> this very List, there have recently been horror stories reported regarding
> this issue, both at all-breed and specialty shows.
>
> There was a sincere, serious discussion of the issues. In order that
> there be ample opportunity for input, from Bob Penny, who will be
> expressly invited to attend the April meeting, Carmen (who we were advised
> will be attending the April meeting), and everyone else who wishes to be
> in the loop, the Board concluded that the way to have a comprehensive view
> of positions and feelings of the membership is for discussion and any
> possible action will be deferred until the April meeting.
>
> There is no need to "alert" the membership, although there is no reason
> not to pursue calm and rational discussion of this issue. The existence
> of the issue will be addressed ("alerted") in the Board-O-Gram, which
> exists for that very purpose. In addition, the Board has adopted an
> expedited process for approval and availability of the Minutes, which will
> also be well before the next meeting.
>
> The April board meeting is in Utah, specifically because the Board will be
> making a site visit to a potential National site there, at the urging of
> many on this very List, and elsewhere. I am perplexed at why anyone would
> feel that to be problematic.
>
> This is certainly a legitimate topic, but please do not imply that
> anything underhanded is occurring, as that is not anyone's intention.
>
> Margery Golant
>
> ============================================================
> From: "glenwood" <glenwood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2005/02/02 Wed PM 02:52:42 EST
> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Utah National
>
> A few minutes ago, I heard from our friend Helen Gleason. She gave her
> permission to send this to the list since she has concern about everyone
> hearing all that is going on at the GSDC Board Meetings.
> According to Helen, the Board was considering eliminating the current
> temperament test for conformation judging. I was surprised to hear it.
> There was much more that needs to be addressed
> She wanted to hear from everyone who is interested. For all of you who
> want to comment, please email her directly if you don't feel like sending
> it to the board at helengleasonus@xxxxxxxxx
>
> Helen's message<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> "Does anyone our there care?
>
> Don't you think it is time for us to put something on the internet about
> board meeting site selections since we are running with only $2000 over
> budget for the entire year and every time I try to save money by deleting
> unnecessary travel for non board members its shot down. Let's look for
> sites that are the most cost effective.
>
> Bob Penny was not even notified until I called him yesterday about the
> debacle that occurred at the meeting regarding elimination of the
> temperament test. I am thankful that the vote was not called and I was
> able to get the board to agree to delay the vote until the next meeting
> when Bob could attend.
>
> Let's get the membership alerted and have them contact the Board via the
> board@xxxxxxxxx email address.
>
> Members we need your help....
> Helen Gleason"
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> End of Helen's Message
>
> From Sunny S. Florida
> Sue and Glenn Sherwood
> See us at http://www.germanshepherdsrus.com
> glenwood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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