now that you mention it, Kit was a kennel dog until I got him. He was very aloof for a long time. He did bond well my Dexter, the old man, but he also found that even my 13 year old son is worth being with. He has bonded strongly with the entire family and will come to any of us unless he needs to pee on his sister's spot. It took him about 9 months to really bond with us, and he was rather bland until then. He is developing nicely into a friendly but protective dog. He is also eating better now that I am addressing his allergies. But he does not seem to be gaining weight yet. It's only been a week or so though. Liddy spent 8 months as a kennel dog. She got the hang of home again after 2 days. And one 'accident' in a hotel room. Only one. She was also surgically implanted. Too soon to tell, but the signs are right. Spotting never really picked up again, and stayed very light for the few days it continued. Still swollen, more than a week after surgery. Her progestrone was 14.5 when it was done. If she is with child, she is due the end of Feb. I will let you all know. Sheila "Karen C." <kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:11:47 EST, Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx wrote:=20 >> In a message dated 1/10/2006 8:03:07 A.M. PST, =20 >> EJDegen@xxxxxxx writes: >> The time commitment to "resocializing" dogs is incredible >>=20 > >Yes Julie that is absolutely right. You cannot do it=20 >halfway, if you do, you will make any anti social/behavioral >problems worse. Consistency is key, and finishing=20 >what you start. >=20 >Kathy =20 Hey all, I'd like to add that I'm currently reading a book called Ruff Love (Susan Garrett, author) that, basically, describes the same process as Julie did, plus a lot more! The book is geared toward rehabbing and developing a better relationship with dogs with "issues" of all kinds, or with working/sport dogs where the handler/dog relationship is not all that it could be. It's really an uber-NILIF program, if you're familiar with that. She gives you relationship-building games to do also. The process involves stripping the dog right down to its very core and then building him back up again. *ALL* privileges and freedoms are removed from the dog to begin with and slooooowly and gradually added back in as the weeks (or months) go by. If you're interested, the book is available from Dogwise , Clean Run or Amazon. I'm not sure the program, in its entirety, is right for me and my setter. But I'm thinking I might be able to use the modified "puppy" version she provides in the book to good effect. For reference, my dog is a close-to-5 year old raw kennel dog who came to live with us when we lost our White Shepherd last summer. He's an absolute sweetheart, but=20 would much rather amuse himself running the fence line or chasing squirrels and birds than take part of any sort of training or other activities involving hubby and me. I would like to put some sort of title on him... even if only a CGC. He's extremely bright! It's just that he has bonded much more to other dogs than to people. I guess that living the kennel dog's life has taught him that he'd better make his own fun because human beings are really boring. ~*~*~*~*~*~* Karen C. Email: kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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