Not if they are on a certain class of drugs, or watching their owner outside the ring. Most judges spend 10 times as much time side-gating dogs than on checking their temperament. This tells the public, and breeders, what trait we value in our dogs, and what we breed for. Most, definitely not all, but a majority of the breeders, owners, and judges that I personally know, value sidegait and type over temperament. I will give you one group of people in the sport that really value temperament, and those people are handlers. I know of one handler that has the integrity to turn down any opportunity to handle a dog with poor temperament; that is actually putting his/her money where his/her mouth is. Paula, 247 days and counting ----Original Message Follows---- Msg: #6 in digest From: VSabiaB@xxxxxxx Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:06:30 EST Subject: Re: was temperment - why test In a message dated 2/27/2005 10:26:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, f.fasano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: The eyes tell everything folks and the judge has the best opprotunity to observe the reaction of the dog. What is gained by the loose lead? A dog can stand it's ground and still exhibit fear-eyes rolling, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly my "POINT" Kris, thanks! Vicki ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================