[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #1430
- From: XcaliburFarm@xxxxxxx
- To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:39:41 EDT
I have never heard it put that way but I had a laughing fit when I imagined
all the birds calling one another that the 'new decorator' had arrived and was
setting out 'her wares' for all to pick up a free sample'. LOL - Debbie
In a message dated 6/6/2008 9:54:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
showgsd-l Digest Fri, 06 Jun 2008 Volume: 02 Issue: 1430
In This Issue:
#1: From: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx
Subject: Coats
#2: From: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx
Subject: OT: Patagonian Conure
#3: From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: ] Re: Feeding puppies - weaning now worming
#4: From: XcaliburFarm@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #1428
#5: From: "Maureen" <murk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ] Re: Feeding puppies - weaning now worming
#6: From: XcaliburFarm@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #1428
#7: From: XcaliburFarm@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #1427
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Msg: #1 in digest
From: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:49:53 EDT
Subject: Coats
Its been interesting reading all these post about coats.
Here, we always have more hair than the average bear, and because of that
my dogs are always looking a little fuller than the rest. At nearly 12, TJ
has
so much hair, when I groomed him on Sunday you could hear all the birds in
the neighborhood getting ready to "redecorate". When he was showing I had
to
keep a close eye on his weight, or he would look fat when he really wasnt.
The standards defines what a correct coat is and that's what we should be
looking for, but quite frankly, open, close, full or shedding, please bring
your
dogs to the ring CLEAN.
Ileana
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Msg: #2 in digest
From: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:53:02 EDT
Subject: OT: Patagonian Conure
I've been fostering a little 7 weeks old Patagonian Conure, and I'm
seriously considering keeping him. Never thought I would have another bird,
but this
little fellow reminds me (now you will be sure I am crazy) of my now gone
long coated-sable Mr Beef.
Does anyone has any experience with this kind of bird? I believe they were
reclassified from parrot to conure, and are from Argentina.
Thanks in advance for any info.
Ileana
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Msg: #3 in digest
From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:00:40 EDT
Subject: Re: ] Re: Feeding puppies - weaning now worming
It would be unusual for an adult dog to be symptomatic although coccidia
can
be found in the GI tract in all dogs.. A dog builds up immunity at +/1 6
months. I suppose if one had a dog with a weakened immune system....
Did you know cats shed an awful lot of the spores? Birds aren't the only
culprits. Wherever you find cats....
I send a flyer home w/ all puppy buyers, and if anyone who is getting a new
puppy has cats, I make sure they know their vet will most likely RX albon,
since their soil will be laden w/ the oocysts, and the puppy won't have
immunity
at 8 weeks. It avoids a lot of distraught calls <G>.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds
In a message dated 6/6/2008 8:51:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
myjoygs@xxxxxxx writes:
has anyone ever had adult dogs get cocci especially if your on a farm or in
an area with lots of birds?
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Msg: #4 in digest
From: XcaliburFarm@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:33:55 EDT
Subject: Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #1428
In a message dated 6/6/2008 2:34:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
showgsd-l Digest Fri, 06 Jun 2008 Volume: 02 Issue: 1428
In This Issue:
#1: From: Lacy340@xxxxxxx
Subject: Worming
#2: From: DestinoGS1@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
#3: From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Long Coat vs Dry Coat
#4: From: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Worming
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Msg: #1 in digest
From: Lacy340@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:38:37 EDT
Subject: Worming
when do you start worming pups. Mine are 4 weeks old and on Formula, Raw
hamburger and rice cereal and a little water to wash it down.
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Msg: #2 in digest
From: DestinoGS1@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:56:54 EDT
Subject: Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
I don't understand what the problem is. If the SV does accept the "stock
coat" now into the system, whats' the big deal? The coat gene is very
simple
and easy to control in a breeding program. The worst problem is that
usually
the best structured puppy in the litter is the long coat and most judges
will
not award it the points. Pick your best puppy based on structure, if it
is
a long coat just breed her to a male that does not carry the gene for the
long coats.
JMO,
Mary
In a message dated 6/5/2008 3:07:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Carolyn & Norma No L, The long *stock* coat is not a problem as the outer
coat is *not* silky. It is the same coarse texture as that found on a
normal coated dog. Also, a dog with a stock coat does have an undercoat.
This is the definition of a stock coat.
I'm betting most people on this list have not come in contact with a true
long stock-coated dog. Having owned German & German crosses for a long
time, I've known many such dogs and their hardiness has been "field
tested."
In case you guys missed my earlier post on this subject, I've included it
below. BTW, I'm *not* advocating the approval of the true long coat for
just the reasons Carolyn mentioned. Anyhow, here's what I wrote in that
post...
I wish the long stock coat would be accepted by our Standard and not
considered a fault. I have owned both the true long coat, i.e. soft, silky
outer coat & no undercoat and the long stock coat. The long stock coat is
exactly like the standard coat - coarse outer coat with the typical
undercoat. Only longer.
My dog with the true long coat had skin problems. He was harder to dry,
but
the main problem was that silky outer coat. It seemed to pick up dust like
one of those magnetic dust mops, and everything got tangled up in his coat.
Burrs, leaves, twigs, you name it! Burrs were the worse because they had
to
be cut out. We live in the woods, so I don't ever want to own another true
long coat.
My long stock coat experienced none of these problems, and would have no
trouble doing field work. Plus, a dog with a long stock coat is often
*very* pleasing to the eye.
Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member
Allemande German Shepherd Dogs
Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gsdramey@xxxxxxx>; <grnram415@xxxxxxx>; <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>;
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:04 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
Everything is minor until you have a problem with it. <G>
Try getting the velcro stickers or fox tails out of a silky coat when
you've had it out herding or working in a field or in Search and Rescue
dog in a disaster setting.
Also try drying and getting out the snow balls that has frozen to the hair
of an avalance dog. Let a blind person try to deal with any of it.
Incorrect coats do not repel water but the harsh double coat will. Two
shakes and they're almost dry....<G>
It's all a fault for a reason is all I'm saying. It's a Standard for a
working,
herding, service dog. It's really NOT about personal taste.
The only one I can't see a reason for other than appearances is the light
eye........?
I love our Standard and our Breed...... { :o)
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Norma Ramey
To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; grnram415@xxxxxxx ; denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx ;
showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:01 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
Carolyn has brought up some goodies - but - the differences (small IMHO)
in
the actual
coat coarseness, fine silkiness, length, etc. really are minor
differences.
Like so many
other things, individual tastes prevail anyway. I learned in studying an
animal encyclopedia
as as a young Whippersnapper that the Poodle coat & clips were important
for
what they
originally did. (A German breed, BTW; hunt and retrieve)! The stickers &
foxtails etc.
would only adhere to the outer protective fur and not the dog as in a
short
coated one)
Also, the thickness repelled the water easily. I feel more is better, but
thatsa me and the
fantastic undercoat of our GSDs truly IS an insulation to heat & cold
times.
Norma no L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <grnram415@xxxxxxx>; <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>;
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:08 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
It is a "fault".....no matter how awesome their structure...but so are
soft
coats & open coats.
There are different types of long coats......but they are still
"coats"......and they are all a
problem when you live in the Country where there are stickers, fox tails,
a
lot of dirt, or
out in the field herding and working. Even snow balls up on their coats
and sticks.
We've all had 'coats' that are really nice....but I wouldn't show
one........too much effort just
to get a good dog or a great dog shown without wasting time and money on
a
coated one.
You can already show them at AKC shows as long as they are not trimmed.
They are mentioned in our Standard........and considered a fault of the
coat! <G>.
Why change now?
The GSDCA, Inc. doesn't decide what we can show or not show.
If you have an AKC registered dog you can show it......it can even have
disqualifying
faults....( it's your entry fee to throw away ) you just will either
lose
or be disqualified. <G>
I sure hope we don't start tinkering with our Standard to fit coat faults?
We have a great
Breed......and a great Breed Standard. Why would we want to start
splitting it into varities
of coats and colors and light eyes, and dark eyes, and blacks and sables
etc.
This is a working / herding breed and there is a definite reason a long
coat
is not desired.
Though a beautiful Breed ( as long as we stay vigilant ) .our Standard
addresses the best
qualities for easy maintenance and all aspects of a working dog, service
dog
and a herding
dog ( again, as long as we stay vigilant ) whether it is the coat, the
feet or even the long
saber tail for balance.
JMO
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
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Msg: #3 in digest
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Long Coat vs Dry Coat
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:30:11 -0700
I don't think the slick coat or dry type is looked upon badly so much as it
just does
not "accentuate the positive" for the dog. None of us want to show our
dogs out
of coat for just that reason.......same look......no beautiful
accentuations.
Same with a long coat.....it isn't that it's a serious fault according to
the Standard,
but catches the eye of the judge immediately. They don't even need to
look for
it.......it smacks them in the eye as the dog comes in the ring.
For some judges it's a bi-color that affects them the same way....or a
black
or even
sable....or a bad back. They see it as the dog is coming in the ring and
if they
don't like that........you just threw away an entry fee. <G>
Now a missing tooth, or not good feet or a loose hock is often not picked
up on
until the individual exam.......and later in movement the dog can be so
impressive in
outline, and appearance and sidegait, etc. that the judge can "forget"
what
they and
ring side cannot see easily every time it goes around the
ring.................<G>
Judges have to make decisions.....they don't have all the time in the world
to think
it over and compare over and over.......or contemplate whether to use it
for
breeding
like we do when we have the dog in our yard and see things we like about
it.
They
have a lot of things and a lot of dogs to think about and must make a
decision.
We all KNOW what we like about our dogs when we make a decision to enter
them
in a show.......but we cannot expect every judge to agree with OUR
preference. <G>
Now if you think about it.....normally we are all showing some very good
dogs....thats
why we drove hundreds of miles to show under a judge. I think I would
not
be happy
if a judge put a long coat up for a major with all the quality animals
being
show with
perfect coats..............JMO.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: grnram415@xxxxxxx To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, June
05,
2008 11:54 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Long Coat vs Dry Coat
Gosh, I never realized this thread would go so crazy.? Lots of good
information and opinions.? So, I have another side to this.? Dry coats.?
They seem to
be faulted in the ring as well.? I know that folks do major grooming jobs
on
their dogs, getting them all fluffed up for the ring.? I have done this
myself.? The only thing is they will stay fluffy for about 10 mins and be
flat
when they get in the ring.? That is not to say these dogs don't have
undercoat.? They do and I can prove it when they blow coat and their runs
look like
they are covered in dog hair snow.? I can't believe how much coat they can
blow.
So, my question is this.? The Standard?states: "The outer coat should be as
dense as possible."? Now, if the outer coat is very dense, then it SHOULD
close up to protect the undercoat from wet and cold.? Yet, why is a dry
coat
looked at badly?? Or,?am I totally off base as to what a?true dry coat is??
And,
if I am wrong, then I would appreciate some grooming advice on how to keep
these dogs with great undercoats and short, dense outer coats, fluffy for
more
than 10 mins :-)
Laura Thomas???
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Msg: #4 in digest
From: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 02:29:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Worming
Puppies are born with roundworm infestation...(90%, according to University
of California Davis). At two weeks the roundworms start migrating. At 3 -
4
weeks they migrate to lungs,(pneumonia) stomach,(vomiting them up, inhaling
them, pneumonia) eyes, (potential blindness) and other organs, before
making
their way back to the intestines. Recommended protocol is to worm with
Pyrantal
Pamoate at two weeks, and once a week thereafter until two months, and
then
every two weeks until 3 months old, when a natural immunity manifests
itself.
After that, once a month. Allowing puppies to go unwormed past two weeks
is
very dangerous, and is a frequent cause of roundworm pneumonia, which is
usually fatal in puppies. A friend recently waited until 4 weeks to worm
her
pups, (Maltese), I told her to worm them immediately. They were FULL of
huge
roundworms, and these pups weighed like 3 lbs. She was lucky the worms had
not
killed them. I was advised at my first litter to worm at 4 weeks, and I
lost
two pups to roundworm pneumonia before they were ever wormed. Please, list,
start worming your puppies at two weeks, and once a week thereafter. When
puppies die for seemingly no reason, worms are sometimes the reason.
Besides
all
the other horrors, starvation is also a very possible reason. Syd
In a message dated 6/5/2008 9:56:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Lacy340@xxxxxxx writes:
when do you start worming pups. Mine are 4 weeks old and on Formula,
Raw
hamburger and rice cereal and a little water to wash it down.
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Msg: #5 in digest
From: "Maureen" <murk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ] Re: Feeding puppies - weaning now worming
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:36:24 -0500
My vet says any where livestock has ever grazed is full of cocci........and
then birds on top of that! Mo
> has anyone ever had adult dogs get cocci especially if your on a farm or
> in an area with lots of birds?
>
>
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Msg: #6 in digest
From: XcaliburFarm@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:44:34 EDT
Subject: Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #1428
Another recommendation is to use Panacur. Using for one day every other wk
and then at eight wks we use it for a 3 day period/series, repeat this at 10
&
12 wks. This wormer is very efficient and does a more thorough job when
used
to get all the worms. Pyrantel Pamoate is a safer wormer and can be used at
2 wks of age (also called Strongid) with a wider range of safety so you can
worm to an approximate weight rather than more accurate one. The best
advice is
to ck with your local vet to see what they recommend for your area. We also
worm and boost the immunizations on our bitches in whelp to decrease the
amount of worms being passed to the pups and to boost their antibodies.
Again,
this is our vet's recommendations and it seems to benefit our particular
program. Down here in Florida, we never get a long enough period of
freezing
weather to circumvent our spreading of diseases so as soon as the
bitch/maternal
antibodies begin to taper off in the pups, they are more inclined to catch
one
of the most prevalent...distemper or parvo. We do not use Lepto on a first
vaccination. Generally the mom's antibodies wear off at about 6 wk. but we
have
found we can begin vaccs at eight wks if pups are raised inside and there
are no dogs coming on and off the premises. Hope this helps, Debbie
In a message dated 6/6/2008 2:34:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
showgsd-l Digest Fri, 06 Jun 2008 Volume: 02 Issue: 1428
In This Issue:
#1: From: Lacy340@xxxxxxx
Subject: Worming
#2: From: DestinoGS1@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
#3: From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Long Coat vs Dry Coat
#4: From: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Worming
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Msg: #1 in digest
From: Lacy340@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:38:37 EDT
Subject: Worming
when do you start worming pups. Mine are 4 weeks old and on Formula, Raw
hamburger and rice cereal and a little water to wash it down.
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Msg: #2 in digest
From: DestinoGS1@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:56:54 EDT
Subject: Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
I don't understand what the problem is. If the SV does accept the "stock
coat" now into the system, whats' the big deal? The coat gene is very
simple
and easy to control in a breeding program. The worst problem is that
usually
the best structured puppy in the litter is the long coat and most judges
will
not award it the points. Pick your best puppy based on structure, if it
is
a long coat just breed her to a male that does not carry the gene for the
long coats.
JMO,
Mary
In a message dated 6/5/2008 3:07:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Carolyn & Norma No L, The long *stock* coat is not a problem as the outer
coat is *not* silky. It is the same coarse texture as that found on a
normal coated dog. Also, a dog with a stock coat does have an undercoat.
This is the definition of a stock coat.
I'm betting most people on this list have not come in contact with a true
long stock-coated dog. Having owned German & German crosses for a long
time, I've known many such dogs and their hardiness has been "field
tested."
In case you guys missed my earlier post on this subject, I've included it
below. BTW, I'm *not* advocating the approval of the true long coat for
just the reasons Carolyn mentioned. Anyhow, here's what I wrote in that
post...
I wish the long stock coat would be accepted by our Standard and not
considered a fault. I have owned both the true long coat, i.e. soft, silky
outer coat & no undercoat and the long stock coat. The long stock coat is
exactly like the standard coat - coarse outer coat with the typical
undercoat. Only longer.
My dog with the true long coat had skin problems. He was harder to dry,
but
the main problem was that silky outer coat. It seemed to pick up dust like
one of those magnetic dust mops, and everything got tangled up in his coat.
Burrs, leaves, twigs, you name it! Burrs were the worse because they had
to
be cut out. We live in the woods, so I don't ever want to own another true
long coat.
My long stock coat experienced none of these problems, and would have no
trouble doing field work. Plus, a dog with a long stock coat is often
*very* pleasing to the eye.
Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member
Allemande German Shepherd Dogs
Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gsdramey@xxxxxxx>; <grnram415@xxxxxxx>; <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>;
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:04 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
Everything is minor until you have a problem with it. <G>
Try getting the velcro stickers or fox tails out of a silky coat when
you've had it out herding or working in a field or in Search and Rescue
dog in a disaster setting.
Also try drying and getting out the snow balls that has frozen to the hair
of an avalance dog. Let a blind person try to deal with any of it.
Incorrect coats do not repel water but the harsh double coat will. Two
shakes and they're almost dry....<G>
It's all a fault for a reason is all I'm saying. It's a Standard for a
working,
herding, service dog. It's really NOT about personal taste.
The only one I can't see a reason for other than appearances is the light
eye........?
I love our Standard and our Breed...... { :o)
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Norma Ramey
To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; grnram415@xxxxxxx ; denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx ;
showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:01 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
Carolyn has brought up some goodies - but - the differences (small IMHO)
in
the actual
coat coarseness, fine silkiness, length, etc. really are minor
differences.
Like so many
other things, individual tastes prevail anyway. I learned in studying an
animal encyclopedia
as as a young Whippersnapper that the Poodle coat & clips were important
for
what they
originally did. (A German breed, BTW; hunt and retrieve)! The stickers &
foxtails etc.
would only adhere to the outer protective fur and not the dog as in a
short
coated one)
Also, the thickness repelled the water easily. I feel more is better, but
thatsa me and the
fantastic undercoat of our GSDs truly IS an insulation to heat & cold
times.
Norma no L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <grnram415@xxxxxxx>; <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>;
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:08 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
It is a "fault".....no matter how awesome their structure...but so are
soft
coats & open coats.
There are different types of long coats......but they are still
"coats"......and they are all a
problem when you live in the Country where there are stickers, fox tails,
a
lot of dirt, or
out in the field herding and working. Even snow balls up on their coats
and sticks.
We've all had 'coats' that are really nice....but I wouldn't show
one........too much effort just
to get a good dog or a great dog shown without wasting time and money on
a
coated one.
You can already show them at AKC shows as long as they are not trimmed.
They are mentioned in our Standard........and considered a fault of the
coat! <G>.
Why change now?
The GSDCA, Inc. doesn't decide what we can show or not show.
If you have an AKC registered dog you can show it......it can even have
disqualifying
faults....( it's your entry fee to throw away ) you just will either
lose
or be disqualified. <G>
I sure hope we don't start tinkering with our Standard to fit coat faults?
We have a great
Breed......and a great Breed Standard. Why would we want to start
splitting it into varities
of coats and colors and light eyes, and dark eyes, and blacks and sables
etc.
This is a working / herding breed and there is a definite reason a long
coat
is not desired.
Though a beautiful Breed ( as long as we stay vigilant ) .our Standard
addresses the best
qualities for easy maintenance and all aspects of a working dog, service
dog
and a herding
dog ( again, as long as we stay vigilant ) whether it is the coat, the
feet or even the long
saber tail for balance.
JMO
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From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Long Coat vs Dry Coat
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:30:11 -0700
I don't think the slick coat or dry type is looked upon badly so much as it
just does
not "accentuate the positive" for the dog. None of us want to show our
dogs out
of coat for just that reason.......same look......no beautiful
accentuations.
Same with a long coat.....it isn't that it's a serious fault according to
the Standard,
but catches the eye of the judge immediately. They don't even need to
look for
it.......it smacks them in the eye as the dog comes in the ring.
For some judges it's a bi-color that affects them the same way....or a
black
or even
sable....or a bad back. They see it as the dog is coming in the ring and
if they
don't like that........you just threw away an entry fee. <G>
Now a missing tooth, or not good feet or a loose hock is often not picked
up on
until the individual exam.......and later in movement the dog can be so
impressive in
outline, and appearance and sidegait, etc. that the judge can "forget"
what
they and
ring side cannot see easily every time it goes around the
ring.................<G>
Judges have to make decisions.....they don't have all the time in the world
to think
it over and compare over and over.......or contemplate whether to use it
for
breeding
like we do when we have the dog in our yard and see things we like about
it.
They
have a lot of things and a lot of dogs to think about and must make a
decision.
We all KNOW what we like about our dogs when we make a decision to enter
them
in a show.......but we cannot expect every judge to agree with OUR
preference. <G>
Now if you think about it.....normally we are all showing some very good
dogs....thats
why we drove hundreds of miles to show under a judge. I think I would
not
be happy
if a judge put a long coat up for a major with all the quality animals
being
show with
perfect coats..............JMO.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
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05,
2008 11:54 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Long Coat vs Dry Coat
Gosh, I never realized this thread would go so crazy.? Lots of good
information and opinions.? So, I have another side to this.? Dry coats.?
They seem to
be faulted in the ring as well.? I know that folks do major grooming jobs
on
their dogs, getting them all fluffed up for the ring.? I have done this
myself.? The only thing is they will stay fluffy for about 10 mins and be
flat
when they get in the ring.? That is not to say these dogs don't have
undercoat.? They do and I can prove it when they blow coat and their runs
look like
they are covered in dog hair snow.? I can't believe how much coat they can
blow.
So, my question is this.? The Standard?states: "The outer coat should be as
dense as possible."? Now, if the outer coat is very dense, then it SHOULD
close up to protect the undercoat from wet and cold.? Yet, why is a dry
coat
looked at badly?? Or,?am I totally off base as to what a?true dry coat is??
And,
if I am wrong, then I would appreciate some grooming advice on how to keep
these dogs with great undercoats and short, dense outer coats, fluffy for
more
than 10 mins :-)
Laura Thomas???
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Msg: #4 in digest
From: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 02:29:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Worming
Puppies are born with roundworm infestation...(90%, according to University
of California Davis). At two weeks the roundworms start migrating. At 3 -
4
weeks they migrate to lungs,(pneumonia) stomach,(vomiting them up, inhaling
them, pneumonia) eyes, (potential blindness) and other organs, before
making
their way back to the intestines. Recommended protocol is to worm with
Pyrantal
Pamoate at two weeks, and once a week thereafter until two months, and
then
every two weeks until 3 months old, when a natural immunity manifests
itself.
After that, once a month. Allowing puppies to go unwormed past two weeks
is
very dangerous, and is a frequent cause of roundworm pneumonia, which is
usually fatal in puppies. A friend recently waited until 4 weeks to worm
her
pups, (Maltese), I told her to worm them immediately. They were FULL of
huge
roundworms, and these pups weighed like 3 lbs. She was lucky the worms had
not
killed them. I was advised at my first litter to worm at 4 weeks, and I
lost
two pups to roundworm pneumonia before they were ever wormed. Please, list,
start worming your puppies at two weeks, and once a week thereafter. When
puppies die for seemingly no reason, worms are sometimes the reason.
Besides
all
the other horrors, starvation is also a very possible reason. Syd
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when do you start worming pups. Mine are 4 weeks old and on Formula,
Raw
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From: XcaliburFarm@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:53:20 EDT
Subject: Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #1427
Sue, we live in an area where there have been cattle for years and since we
have well water, there is a higher incidence of giardia as well coccidia. We
deal with coccidia on a regular basis and yes, it is strange that the cocci
shows up after the pups are free of other worms from the wormings. I now
take a
ziploc baggie, place my
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Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
showgsd-l Digest Thu, 05 Jun 2008 Volume: 02 Issue: 1427
In This Issue:
#1: From: Bubblebird6@xxxxxxx
Subject: adult dog wanted to adopt
#2: From: SallyHH31@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Feeding puppies - weaning
#3: From: Kate Syssoloff <rockannand@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Feeding puppies - weaning
#4: From: Penny & Bill <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: feeding puppies
#5: From: "Maureen" <murk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Feeding puppies - weaning
#6: From: "Maureen" <murk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: feeding puppies
#7: From: "Maureen" <murk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Someone is having a Birthday
#8: From: "Arcturus" <Arcturus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: ] Re: Feeding puppies - weaning now worming
#9: From: Ams <shutter45@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Someone is having a Birthday
#10: From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ] Re: Feeding puppies - weaning now worming
#11: From: DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: ] Re: Feeding puppies - weaning now worming
#12: From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Feeding puppies - weaning
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Msg: #1 in digest
From: Bubblebird6@xxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:09:59 EDT
Subject: adult dog wanted to adopt
I know someone looking to adopt a adult GSD.....The dog must be kid proof
and house trained.......He has grand kids 9 and 7, and his elderly mother
lives with him too.....The dog would of course live inside and have a nice
fenced
in yard......He is willing to pay an adoption fee.....He has had GSD's and
is familiar with the breed.......It would be a forever home.....He lives
in
NJ.....Please email me privately....Thank You....Debbie Muschio
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Msg: #2 in digest
From: SallyHH31@xxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:33:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Feeding puppies - weaning
I never give my pups food til they are 2 weeks old. One week is to young I
think.
SallyHH
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Msg: #3 in digest
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:52:11 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
From: Kate Syssoloff <rockannand@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Feeding puppies - weaning
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LuAnn, I don't feed puppies until they have molars at 21 days of age. Th=
en,
I soak Eagle Large Breed Puppy kibble in hot water and let it swell. Whe=
n
it's has cooled, I add canned puppy and a little dry milk powder for pupp=
ies
and serve. They have a tummy that is still immature, and it takes a coup=
le
of tries to get them going, but within 4 days, they are right in there an=
d
their stools are normal.=0D
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Hamburger purchased from a food store may be contaminated, that's why we
need to cook it to 170F. If you want to feed raw.... grinding up a steak
yourself would be better. Just wash it before putting it in the grinder.=
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However, I prefer to provide babies with a balanced puppy food that is
nutritional and proven.=0D
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Feeding puppies - weaning=0D
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A friend of mine has a litter of 11 GSD puppies. She was told by another
breeder to start feeding some raw hamburger at around 8 days. I don't li=
ke
feeding raw to puppies that young. I don't want to overstep the other
breeder's toes, but..............=0D
Her puppies have the runs now and I told her to discontinue the hamburger=
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when they start weaning and what they feed?=0D
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Msg: #4 in digest
From: Penny & Bill <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: feeding puppies
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:58:09 -0400
My puppies are usually willing to be spoon fed before they're two
weeks old. We mix raw hamburger, baby food (oatmeal with bananas is a
perennial favorite) and warmed raw goat's milk. We do the spoon
feeding thing for a week to 10 days and then they want to eat out of a
dish--those pups love that mixture. The hard part is keeping the dam
away from the gruel--Jeddie wanted to eat it herself last year!
Penny
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Msg: #5 in digest
From: "Maureen" <murk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Feeding puppies - weaning
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:29:09 -0500
I strat them about 3 weeks with a gruel of goats milk, yogurt, baby
oatmeal,
and baby lamb......thin at first and then thicken it. Mo
>I never give my pups food til they are 2 weeks old. One week is to young I
> think.
> SallyHH
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Msg: #6 in digest
From: "Maureen" <murk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: feeding puppies
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:30:37 -0500
Penny,
I make my goats milk plus in a shallow bowl and lay 2 pups at a time
across my lap..........they go nuts! Mo
> My puppies are usually willing to be spoon fed before they're two
> weeks old. We mix raw hamburger, baby food (oatmeal with bananas is a
> perennial favorite) and warmed raw goat's milk. We do the spoon
> feeding thing for a week to 10 days and then they want to eat out of a
> dish--those pups love that mixture. The hard part is keeping the dam
> away from the gruel--Jeddie wanted to eat it herself last year!
> Penny
>
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Msg: #7 in digest
From: "Maureen" <murk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Someone is having a Birthday
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:44:01 -0500
My sweet daughter, Amy Murkland will be 38 tomorrow.....those wishing to
send her B Day grettings ........shutter45@xxxxxxxxxx She is going to
KILL
me for this! Mo
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Msg: #8 in digest
From: "Arcturus" <Arcturus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: ] Re: Feeding puppies - weaning now worming
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:03:43 -0400
Wow! I guess I'm really late with my pups. I don't offer them food until
3
weeks and then its Triumph canned Beef with Chicken. They usually gobble
it
right down. By the end of the week I'm adding soften dry food to it. Now,
they always have access to Mom's dry food and some will start mouthing it
at 3
weeks. Before 3 weeks the Mom's have so much milk I doubt the puppies
would
eat anything anyway.
On to worming...does anyone treat for coccidia or giardia as a matter of
course? We do, at 6 weeks. Where I live there are so many chicken houses
that both are literally in the air. Penn State Unv. did a study on both as
it
effects the chicken industry and they were amazed to find it ( as well as
e-coli) in rain water. Sue T
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Msg: #9 in digest
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:04:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ams <shutter45@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Someone is having a Birthday
got that right. turn about is fair play too ams
Maureen wrote:
> My sweet daughter, Amy Murkland will be 38 tomorrow.....those wishing to
send her B Day grettings ........shutter45@xxxxxxxxxx She is going to
KILL me for this! Mo
>
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Msg: #10 in digest
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:27:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ] Re: Feeding puppies - weaning now worming
I'm with you on this one. What is the point of feeding them earlier mom has
the perfect food for the babies .l If mom doesn't have enough them goat
milk
is a great supplement.
TC
Arcturus <Arcturus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Wow! I guess I'm really late with my pups. I don't offer them food until 3
weeks and then its Triumph canned Beef with Chicken. They usually gobble it
right down. By the end of the week I'm adding soften dry food to it. Now,
they
always have access to Mom's dry food and some will start mouthing it at 3
weeks. Before 3 weeks the Mom's have so much milk I doubt the puppies would
eat
anything anyway.
On to worming...does anyone treat for coccidia or giardia as a matter of
course? We do, at 6 weeks. Where I live there are so many chicken houses
that
both are literally in the air. Penn State Unv. did a study on both as it
effects the chicken industry and they were amazed to find it ( as well as
e-coli)
in rain water. Sue T
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Msg: #11 in digest
From: DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:56:24 EDT
Subject: Re: ] Re: Feeding puppies - weaning now worming
In a message dated 6/5/2008 7:23:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Arcturus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
On to worming...does anyone treat for coccidia or giardia as a matter of
course? We do, at 6 weeks.
I don't generally. If they get loose stools after worming then I do . I
had a bitch years ago that everyone of her pups had a ton of worms and
once
wormed they seemed to pick up coci? Those I treated automatically& after
the
first litter.
Deb
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From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:56:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Feeding puppies - weaning
I 100% agree.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
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I think 8 days is way to young.
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