Please change the subject line on this thread as it keeps going in spam folder and that messes up Stormy. Lee Brown In a message dated 3/20/2014 10:50:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: East of the Mississippi we don't see wing nuts at the a/b shows. We might see a few early in the year at the specialties and/or Futurities but they have a way of disappearing. Secondary sex characteristics are phenomenal. I know you didn't get to the national and yes, I realize that's a specialty, but you would have been terribly pleased. The 6-9 puppy dog and Bred By Exhibitor dogs class have to be the best I've seen. The Winners and Specials in both sexes were really something to behold. For someone who neither breeds nor competes to paint with such a broad brush to say that (quoting) "healthy and stable temperament today is not seen very often nor do I believe it will return anytime soon." is IMO "crap" and I am sticking to it. <G> Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 3/20/2014 11:36:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes: I believe a few people in the breed are beginning to wake up and see there are serious issues, overall in the conformation ring dogs. I believe it is dawning on people that , by and large we are too tightly bred, for too long. I have spoken with people who have also been in the breed for many many decades, who are at the point, where we arrived several years ago of "enough is enough" regarding temperament, real working athleticism, and secondary sex characteristics. I don't know what it is like east of the Mississippi, but I know what I see , in large part in the area west. I see a lot of bitchy males, and even females that are too snippy. I see a lot of dogs who are a mess in the rear. I see dogs that are well trained, but truly don't have solid GSD temperament. I know there will be some that disagree. That is their choice. Disagreeing with a fact, doesn't change that fact. The bright side is, there are many breeders (some of the biggest ) are now really looking HARD at these issues. I applaud that, standing ovation. I can go to a dog show and see varying degrees of good to abysmal. If people want to live with the wing nuts, or the males that look like bitches, that is their personal choice. Interestingly the public will seldom seek out those dogs. It is very telling when we really LISTEN to what the public thinks, or watch to what dogs they gravitate at the shows. Very telling indeed. Maybe we should be listening more often, instead of just breeding dogs that are only appreciated by other specialists? Also I would really like to see it MANDATORY for all TCs to be filmed. Why this practice was stopped is beyond me. But the TC system is as it stands , not a valid test and denigrates the whole idea when dogs are being passed that should not be, on a given day. Nice idea, the TC, but meaningless at this point. Kathy _http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/) CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan Kappo von Eisenwerk RBIF Monarch's Tarragon v Kaleef "Victory...Vires et honestas" On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:16 AM, <_Pinehillgsds@aol.com_ (mailto:Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx) > wrote: Oh that is such crap. I have an entire houseful of sound dog w/ their CHs. (Several w/ open pedigrees too). Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 3/20/2014 10:53:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _scenecrest.geo@yahoo.com_ (mailto:scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx) writes: The healthy and stable temperament today is not seen very often nor do I believe it will return anytime soon. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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