[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: same day shows concept
- From: grnram415@xxxxxxx
- To: billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, ELG440@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 15:15:07 -0400
Excellent post. I am also a supporter of multiple dog shows per day. I have
done this with UKC, ARBA and International shows. These venues may only have a
couple weekends available in any given region. So, they make the most of it.
Yes, they are long days. But every show amps up the handler and the dogs. As
a handler, it is time for that second wind :-) The dogs have no problem with
it.
Puppies don't need to be excluded. All they need is a good nap between shows
and they are good to go.
California is a HUGE state. Entry fees are up and travel, hotels and handler
expenses are not an option for many folks who used to show every weekend.
I still don't understand why we don't have our specialties in conjunction with
AB shows. We could share the expense of the venue, have great rings.
Just some thoughts,
Laura
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From: Bill Basu <billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx; cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; ELG440@xxxxxxx;
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Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:48 am
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: same day shows concept
I have been a supporter of 4 show weekends as a way to maintain entries here on
he West Coast. It DOES NOT solve the problem of encouraging new people into the
reed, however i believe the 4 show weekend benefits far outweigh its costs. \
MHO the order of consideration should be as follows:
a. The Health of the Dogs: I agree with both Carolyn's these dogs should
asily be able to handle two shows per day for two days. Puppies can be excluded
nd no one is forced to enter all four shows. I believe showing at the National
s more physically assertive to adult dogs than showing twice in a day with 3
r 4 hours between each showing. Remember these are herding dogs and
b. The Cost and Ease to the Exhibitor: The Exhibitor is the "Customer". In this
ase the customer is finding it increasingly expensive to show dogs, so a four
how weekend is a way to dramatically reduce the cost of showing to the
ustomer. In addition for example in California the specialty show person would
ave to only plan on 7 show weekends rather then 12 show weekends. I would think
his would make dog showing much easier for the exhibitor.
c. Club Members: I would think setting up and organizing for one weekend per
ear would be less work and less stressful then having to do the same thing
wice a year. I think it would also be easier to round up more volunteers for
ne show weekend then twice a year. And what happened to the cooperation between
lubs that this could foster. "all for one, one for all".
d. Handlers: IMHO any Handler that can't show two shows per day for two days is
ot taking their craft seriously and not in shape. I believe all the handlers i
now could easily handle this. I just turned 51 yrs old and i handled 12 dogs
er day on a 4 show weekend and trust me there are If 4 show weekends were the
orm, you can bet all the handlers would be in shape to handle this and if they
ren't they will be replaced by younger fitter handlers. Just simply a "survival
f the fittest" situation.
As i am studying freshman biology with my 14 yr old daughter, let me apply
arwin's theory of Evolution to the German Shepherd Specialty ring.
ur sport will only survive and thrive based on our ability to ADAPT to our
nvironment. In these days of economic hardship, lower local club membership and
n aging membership the 4 show weekend is a means to successful ADAPTION.
As an old and wise CEO told me a long time ago, you must at some time decide if
t is "More important to be right than successful".
My two cents.
Bill
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rom: carolyn mckenna <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx>
o: cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; ELG440@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
arhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
ent: Sun, May 30, 2010 7:26:48 AM
ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: same day shows concept
Some should read this post of Carolyn's again, word for word.
his breed is meant for working all day, not lying around in the air
onditioning.
the other Carolyn
-- On Sat, 5/29/10, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: same day shows concept
o: cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, ELG440@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
ate: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 6:11 PM
I've watched puppies around our property since "before dirt" and never ceased
o be amazed at how they will, and
an, play all day long by 6 months of age. They may become mentally bored
oing in a ring twice in one day but
don't think they are so exhausted they cannot show or move around a ring a few
imes.
NWILLING and stubborn maybe..........<G>..........but not exhausted.
eard someone comment recently that two shows in one day is just too hard on the
ogs?
sn't this a Herding Breed.........bred to herd sheep and work all day long??
Maybe we should take a second look at a dog that cannot move around the ring
ith presence twice in one day?
G>
idn't we once have shows with entries so big that lasted so long that Clubs had
o hire two judges for one show,
nd the handlers had to 'switch off' to keep going?? When did this Breed
ecome so weak as to not handle going
round in a circle a few times twice in one day??
y thought is that if the dog cannot handle two small shows in one
ay........why not only enter one show. But as a
udge, wouldn't you want to know a dog couldn't gait in a circle a few times in
wo shows in one day?
URELY traveling the same distance on another weekend has to be hard on the dogs
oo....AND the drivers.
G>
ome worry about Club members becoming tired putting on two shows in one day.
EP....it is tiring......but certainly no more tiring than another show weekend
o have to drive to, load again , unload
gain, pick up judges, set up rings all over again, send out Premium Lists and
ail again, Type up Entries again,
rint out Catalogs again,and clean up the show grounds again, AND find enough
illing and able Club workers to give
p yet another weekend and work again.....AND then, spend the rest of the Club
ear meeting and planning the second
how! . ( no wonder we can't get new members ) ( Not to mention
requirements' AKC has our Clubs fulfill now )
ll the time HOPING that we have Exhibitors willing to support our Show and
udges again enough to make that long
rive and expenses for themselves and their handler all over again. In truth
ith entries what they are now we can
asily manage two shows on Saturday and two shows on Sunday and be done! It
ives the Exhibitors and handlers
our Judge choices in one weekend and all in one trip.........and frees up more
eekends for everyone.
f more Specialty Clubs and or All Breeds would start planning on two shows in
ne day.....that would free up a lot
ore weekends for Clubs getting more available weekend dates for our Futurities
nd Shows without bumping heads
ith another Club and their show weekend. A little more Organization......but
ore worthwhile entries for the work.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
ww.Marhaven.com
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aturday, May 29, 2010 7:58 AMSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: , same day concept
My first experience with the two shows in one day (outdoors) came last weekend
n Oklahoma. In the morning,
arolyn Herbel gave WD to the 6-9 puppy dog. When I judged at 2 PM for the
ulsa club, the puppy was exhausted
nd did not show well. So my conclusion is that two shows in the same day in a
arm weather site can be hard on the animals.
am not worried about the handlers as they have the choice to show or not to
how. Now, my experience with two shows in one day inside in the air
onditioned atmosphere is totally different. The first show was an all breed
nd the specialty was after BIS. This gave the dogs a long time to adapt to the
onditions and recover from the first show. I think there are good and bad
hings associated with the two show concept just as there are in all of our
ives. The clubs need to do what is best for survival. D.D.
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