I think it should be judged on a dog to dog basis. :0) The only thing generalizations do is make everyone wrong. marcatogsd@xxxxxxx wrote: I've been told the exact opposite by the East German breeders.? THey tell me that the Czech dogs are slow to mature and are more laid back...higher defense drive while east german has higher prey ?- Jackie ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=== east have a reputation for being slow to mature and laid back. (i wrote that above. i would say, but no one mentioned drives, that most definitely the higher % czech dogs are more defense/fight drive and the east german are more prey drive. czech dogs may be longer to mature too, remember i said they evolved from the ddr dogs way back. they do not have a reputation for being laid back though. susan http://www.sander-haus.com Home of Sander-Haus German Shepherd Dogs Quality West German Show Lines ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================