I think I like it, as I love long coats, but then are we not setting a president by establishing a class for a fault? I can see where this might go - a class for whites, a class for missing teeth, etc..... I am somewhat ambivalent at this point. While I usually opt for inclusion and expansion, the standard is there to narrow the choices to that which is, the best representative of the breed. Maybe that is still the best course to follow. I still thinking, which many will scoff at! Dave dave, a long coat is a fault. a white is a DQ under the standard. there's a huge difference. i think helen is so right re the coats. there seems to be such a huge clamor these days about the coat factor - as if being a coat is some horrible ill that might befall a pup. we NEED coats in our breed to maintain correct coats and beautiful breed type. ann's bitch is a wonderful example. piper hill's kodachrome was another. personally, i have no issue breeding to a dog who carries the coat factor. i do, however, have serious issues when it comes to breeding to a dog who has a good potential of passing on the propensity for gastric B/T, mesenteric torsion, mega, praa etc. perhaps, if we are going to worry about breeding stock, that's where are worries should be directed. jmo, diane Diane Silver-Strasser Silstra German Shepherds _Skatiebug'z_ (http://skatiebugz.shutterfly.com/) The online store for everything German Shepherd and then some! _http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com_ (http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com/) Skater's Blog ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================