Stoneshep2 -- Ok -- I've been around a looong time and IMO-- What we need to do is -- look at the whole picture -- in it ALL! Breeding, (health problems) Handling (pro ability) Conditioning & Training (most interesting actions) and the final - Judge. OUR breed as a whole --- has always been one of the most popular. Having said that, look at this fact as MORE --- therefore, more problems, political, sneaky etc. stuff is MORE -- and that's the way it is. NOT that we do these things in a (crappy) manner, but it is noticed MORE than with other breeds and their judging etc. To show an example here of the - more being different by necessity - Ladies and Gentlemen -- attend some of the OTHER breed specialty shows -------- Lets be happy and face it -- we are MORE --- Each judge on DA LIST, also IMO - is GREAT. I have shown under them and I know several personally --- I've also always had the very same opinion of our Pro Handlers. However, for years inside myself I've wondered WHY -- there isn't some kind of rule or what ever for a person who has been a breeder to attain the judging requirements and/or handling ones -- to STOP being a breeder and/or exhibitor. Please help me as this, IMO is about the only real problem in the GSD show ring -- Judges and Handlers remaining breeders & exhibitors. I KNOW THIS WILL OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS, BUT IT IS JUST ME -- maybe, sorry -- Norma & the critters ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stoneshep2@xxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] political wins > > In your opinion, who are the good judges? > Who don't look to see who is at the end of the lead? > Are you talking about All-Breed shows? > I agree that their are SOME good judges out there, but for most of them, > In my opinion > they are playing the game---playing politics > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================