Evan-- I am sorry-I love ya and appreciate all your input-and you are certainly intelligent and have produced some great dogs--BUT HERE YOU ARE WRONG !! .First of all--as someone else said-the FAULTS you mentioned are CERTAINLY NOT something I would knowingly breed to to IMPROVE my lines--nor would anyone else here who has a brain--those are "BAD" faults-- WHAT IS WRONG WITH A COAT????:? As many have said--MOST coats are the nicest ones in the litter-great heads, pigment, certainly temperment, movement, structure--etc etc--all that is "wrong" is that they have too much hair--SO WHAT????? HOW MANY OF US--ME INCLUDED-- have bred a coat to IMPROVE our stuff--improve temperment, structure, and of course COAT. Everyone knows if you breed a coat to a dog who does NOT produce coat--you will NOT get coated puppies--BUT you may get puppies that are nicer than either parent--and probably have the gorgeous plushy coats that we all strive for. Look at the Covy Tucker Hill lines if you dont believe me--they used many coated dogs in their breeding program and everyone knows how PLUSHY most all of their dogs have been. And beautiful--and all the other requirements for making their MANY MANY Champions they have produced.. Guess what folks--I have a coat--she is pregnant right now and when she is back in condition after the litter--I WILL SHOW HER-cause she is not only pretty but she is a gorgeous mover and I will be PROUD to put her in the ring. SO THERE !!! She is on my website --her name is Candy--and if you go to her page and clik on one of the links below, you can see her move as a puppy when I first got her. (with NO TRAINING at all--she just MOVES.) Cheri Hunt CHERADON SHEPHERDS Home of some of the most gorgeous German Shepherds in the World ! _Cheradon Shepherds Home Page_ (http://www.cheradonshepherds.com/) In a message dated 6/19/2012 11:57:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 6/19/2012 6:46:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes: Personally I would like to have someone, anyone give me a single valid reason NOT to do this. How is this. If the coats can't win in normal competition, you don't dumb down the class to make sure they win. If you want everything to win, have classes for everything. A locked hock should not win. So, let's have a class for locked hocks. A bad bite should not win. So, let's have a class for bad bites. Faded pigment should not win, so let's have a class for faded pigment. Dogs bad going away should not win. So, let's have a class just for dogs that are bad going away. It will encourage a lot more people to show, allow them to bring out dogs that would not be shown. It will increase the entries and make more money for the club. Don't dumb down the standard just to make a winner. On the other hand, if it makes someone happy, I am all for it. Evan L. 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