[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: majors / not showing dogs / long
- From: "Liane Fossland" <lfossland@xxxxxxx>
- To: <sheilaofmiami@xxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:59:50 -0700
Sorry, I disagree, Sheila.
I did my share in "supporting the winners". My boy was not shown until he
was 1 1/2 years old because of pano. Then we went out with gusto trying to
get some points. Not so, he was not ready, he was simply not mature enough.
That did not sink in for a while with me and I kept on showing him losing
money at every turn. There were a lot of dogs that benefited from that.
It's fine to support the others, however, all this comes out of your pocket
book and hurts after a while.
I will not make the same mistake with my bitch. This time she will not be
shown until she is ready. It's not only the disappointment you are dealing
with, it's your money, too.
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Sheila Lieberman
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 6:16 AM
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: majors / not showing dogs / long
It is great to want to show only when you feel your do is ready and your
handler is ready for your dog to win. But how in the world do we expect to
have majors, or 5 point majors if we are all waiting for our dogs to be
ready to take those points?
As FB put it several years ago now, in the Reveiw, we need more loosers.
We cannot all win every show. But without dogs to beat, there are no
points. Without puppies in the ring for the experience, not the win, the
winners win nothing but ribbons and trophies, no points.
Yes, the judges should be ones that would consider your dog, but all of us
need to support the efforts of, well, all of us!!!!
I have, G-d help me, 3 puppies. I will show them where I can, and when I
can to support clubs, judges, and friends. I doubt I will win much, they
will not be worthy of points till all 3 are mature. I do not want to pay
handlers at all if I can help it, it is just too costly. I really don't
want my pups scrutenized either, I know how imature they look right now.
But I also know that when they are ready to take points I want them trained,
I want them experieced, and I want them to approach handlers with confidence
so the handlers will be wowed by them.
In the meantime I want to help the kids I have come into to learn to
handle with my puppies, show my puppies, and be ignored by judges as much as
possible so that everyone can have fun with no little damage.
If no one really notices my dogs now while they are young, everyone wins.
The dogs learn, the kids learn and have fun. And every now and then
accidents happen and I win anyway.
In a year or so when the girls look like I KNOW they will, handlers will
notice them in the ring and will come to me asking why I am using kids when
the dogs could be taking points. Then and only then will I start to pay
handlers to show these dogs.
But if I do not use these dogs to support shows, clubs, and judges, and if
we all hold our dogs so close that we are all waiting to win and only win,
no one will win any points.
Just my opinion folks.
sheila
Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx wrote:
In a message dated 10/1/2006 2:33:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx writes:
I saw OC members with dogs on site but not entered. I saw other people
that enter majors on site, WITH dogs, but NOT entered.
Something came up yesterday that reminded me of a situation that happened to
me that could be the answer to folks w/ lots and lots of dogs outside of the
ring, being socialized, being worked by handlers, being evaluated and NOT
entered.......
When I first ventured from the performance ring to the breed ring, I went to
a very BIG Guardian, plunked down very BIG money and waited for a puppy.
He had serious health (epilepsy) and structural issues and didn't work out.
It took close to 2 years to receive his replacement, who was dead with a
serious health issue before her second b-day (hemolytic anemia). No names.
But I
preface what I am about to say because I want you to understand that in the
meantime, all I could so was watch from the ringside, heart aching because
of the health issues with still nothing to show. It wasn't a lot of fun.
Someone took pity on me and sold me a promising youngster. Now, I was just
dying
to show. Didn't care who the judge was, didn't care how many older stars my
handler was on, didn't care about the politics, didn't care how far away I
had to go, stay overnight, etc., etc. I went to every match I could find and
training class 2x a week. He was shown 7 times as a puppy at specialties and
won EVERY PUPPY CLASS and picked up some nice BPs and BOPs along the way.
(John De Hope called and said he's a baby, only show 1x a weekend...don't do
too much!!!) Oh, and I advertised, the Review, the Quarterly, the backs of
catalogs, I entered his Futurity...all of it.
Then at our club meeting, we had a (big name, but no names here) speaker.
Politely she asked how I was doing and, so happy that I finally had
something
to show, (remember, to put it in context, I had been waiting years), I was
just gushing. "Well", she said, "WE don't show them until they are ready",
"Why would WE want to make points for others?", "WHY, IF you have a nice
dog,
would you drag him around?", "WHY would you get him beat by his own
immaturity
and allow a lesser dog to have bragging rights???"
Well, it was like all of the air was let out of a balloon. So, that was the
way it was done. I went home and looked at his pictures, the
advertisements, and yup, he looked young. Even though I had been enjoying
the heck out of
it, I saw now that I had indeed been getting him beat. I was showing him
before he was "ready". I felt very foolish.
Guess how many puppies I have campaigned since? None. In fact, I think I've
only entered 1 Specialty match since too.
Now, it's "Are they ready?", "Who's the judge", "What older dog if any in
the same sex is my handler on?", "If I'm showing a bitch and my handler has
a
nice dog, will this judge be inclined to spread it around...or not?", yada,
yada, yada.
I learned. You don't have to tell me twice.
Our fall specialties are rolling around and I guarantee you, there will be
4-5x as many dogs outside the ring as inside. Handlers will work dogs after,
youngsters will be evaluated. Why not show them? Because like me, their
people probably realize they aren't ready or maybe it isn't a good
situation.
Sad:( I really enjoyed those puppy classes. But it's OK in the long run.
While I have a youngster growing up, I'll play with performance.
Kathy
member GSDCA, DVGSDC
three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here!
visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_
(http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/)
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