<g> utilitarian, through and through.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Cochran To: stormygsd@xxxxxxx ; Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: lets look at the question from another angle I treat the club with a Spock theology, The good of the many out weights the good of a few, or the one. Live Long and Prosper Terry the Treky Susan Madlung <stormygsd@xxxxxxx> wrote: I believe a successful club stems from how the membership is perceived by each other..from an ethical perspective (I am currently taking a course in bioethics, so bear with me ) do you consider your membership from a utilitarian perspective (members are simply a means to an end) or a Kantian perspective (doing "good" because it is the right thing to do). A utilitarian club will demand, push and insist members do whatever it takes . the final consequence is the event and the benefits reaped by the club from that. A Kantian club works together because it is the right thing to do - for themselves, for the breed, for the fancy as a whole - if any reward is reaped it is a bonus. From a utilitarian perspective, you will eventually get "push back" - the members that believe that it is important to hold shows to foster the improvement of the breed, to showcase animals, to provide a fair venue and opportunity of enjoyment for the fancy will eventually quit - their goals aren't met in the mere drive to hold shows to generate funds, to provide a venue of opportunity for selective individuals. I believe there are a good number of clubs that operate with both philosophies in place - but from what I am reading it is the clubs with bulk of the members that work together for the good of the breed, the enjoyment of the event, to offer a venue to show case their animals in a respected manner that are the biggest and the most successful.The clubs with dominant members who push for events for personal gain seems to be the ones struggling.. I guess it takes a real good look at the values and motives of the club as a whole.. Just my thoughts as I write my paper.. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: lets look at the question from another angle > Delaware Valley isn't. We have strong leadership, interesting general > meetings, a super newsletter and we also do all breed rally, agility and > obedience > in addition to our twice a year specialties, once a year puppy match and > every other year TC. In fact, we get along with and support a whole > bunch of > all breed clubs too... > > Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC > Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions > visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds > > > In a message dated 3/23/2008 11:27:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx writes: > > Which clubs are not struggling and what makes them different from the one > that are. > > > Terry > > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or > FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the > original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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