In a message dated 7/3/2006 9:20:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stormygsd@xxxxxxx writes: Excellent points..and I do hear you.. so, one thing at a time.. how about people sticking to the rules already in place?? Isn't there already a rule about your question below?? So how come, when this does happen NO ONE does anything?? last year at a Canadian futurity the judge was a handler who not only handled for the owner, but lived on the same property as the dog he put up... what happened there?? Lots of people complained, but the people who could do anything, did nothing.. This is the kind of stuff that causes people to leave the sport -when this kind of stuff happens (why make rules if they aren't going to be enforced) Sue Madlung You see, there are problems, and like you, I feel there are rules that just need to be enforced. First, and before the torches are lit, lets find out what the rules are for handlers and judges at futurities, it could be they are different. AND lets find out if there are statute of limitations regarding complains. If these situations are happening, without any reprisals, and people continue showing to these judges, then Fred is right, they are a bunch of morons. So, who is the chairman of the Canadian club ethic committees? I assume they have one. And, who is the chairman of the GSDCA ethic committee? And what is the protocol to place a complaint? Is it as simple as showing official show results? You would think that will suffice. But, more importantly, are you willing to take on this task? It can be intimidating to be the "bad guy" and get ostracized for doing the right thing. In the corporate world these people are called whistle blowers, publicly no one likes them and privately everyone is grateful they are there. Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================