How much more true can anything be? Sheila Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 1/13/2006 7:37:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, vomkristallaugen@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: If the cultures came back normal I see no reason Baytril, unless there is something she (your vet) is not telling you. Why treat for something that is not there? It's only going to damage the good bacteria and possibly cause immunity to the drug if there ever really is a need for it. JMO My opinion also. I have a low tolerance for "stupid" in vets. Vets that prescribe antibiotics without cause (and as has been previously discussed, Baytril is a doosy and it will kill the good bugs leaving the bitch susceptible to pyo, a bitch can develop resistance to it, and they what if you REALLY need it, etc., etc.), go on my "stupid vet list". Sorry Ed, but you're a smart guy. If you are entrusting your bitch's care and forking over $$$ to a vet that can't justify why she's doing something, find another vet. You're entitled to answers and an explanation of her thought process. BTW, there are times when the only honest answer a vet can give you is "I don't know". I RESPECT that! If a vet and I are going to "guess" which way to go with something, we'll do it together, talk about, hash out ideas. That's fine! But to suggest a course of treatment in a way that suggests throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks...no, that's NOT fine. Ed, I really hope you have a litter after all of this, but if there is a next time that a bitch misses and you're wondering why or what to do, (the culture was fine, the sperm was viable, timing was right, etc.), I'd have the bitch examined endoscopicaly to see if you are dealing with uterine cysts and scaring. If you feel the bitch is conceiving but not carrying the litter to term (reabsorbing), you could check hormones during the term of her pregnancy, but now we open up a whole other can of worms. With things like low thyroid or funky hormone levels that cause a bitch to either not conceive and/or reabsorb, just how much intervention to we do knowing darn well IF we get a litter there is the likelihood that we'll be dealing with the same things in the next generation? Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Sheila of Miami Mernydex GSD's Loving Obedience Dog Training --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos ? Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we?ll bind it! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================