Has anyone heard of VetriScience GF? It is for joints (elbows, hocks, etc) but one of the sperm freezing outfits found that dogs who were taking it for their joints had increased sperm and motility in those dogs. Supposedly the source, which is (stinky stinky) green lipped mussels, is the important part of the equation. A girl on another list I'm on has a 9 year old Poodle who is very perky and still very fertile. That dog's grandsire sired his first litter at 9, and was still making babies when he was 16 years old. Seems to me that it would be worth a try. Supposedly, the famous Dr. Hutch is a big fan of the stuff. I just wonder if anyone here has heard of it, or tried it...especially for a dog whose producing days are coming to a close. Peggy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================