Irish Setters aren't dumb. They just don't think people are worth listening to, like most dogs bred to hunt...they have different priorities, that's all. They were bred to work on their own, FOR man. My GSD bitch is as smart as a whip...but the smartest dog I've ever owned was my first Cavalier. Cavaliers usually aren't terribly smart in the way we think of dogs as smart...they just know they're so cute they don't have to do anything they don't want to do...like housebreaking them...they make you think it's YOUR fault when they have a mistake. Most of them are very trainable...they are just different from dogs bred to work WITH man. The man who wrote the book on dog intelligence had to be a non-dog person...his tests were often based on food motivitation and/or problem solving. Not all dogs are food motivated, and some could care less about solving a problem to suit a human...if the tests had been suitable to the canine mind, his results would have been very different, I promise you. Peggy Kimorr@xxxxxxx wrote: >I have to say that just because a dog is smart it isn't necessarily trainable. >My Cavalier King Charles is very smart.... Trainable is a combination of >eagerness to please and intelligence. And the dumbest dog is no doubt the >Irish Setter. I don't think there is a more TRAINABLE dog than a German >Shepherd. > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================