<<Msg: #9 in digest From: ORSuite@xxxxxxx Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:26:04 EST Subject: Re: Brindle GSD pups--pictures--wierd. In a message dated 2/24/2005 8:57:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, vonadlerhof@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > I was wondering how the Father(RED SABLE)- of these brindle pups had a > WHITE > sire and a BLACK &TAN Dam?? How'd they get RED SABLE outta that?? > > ************************************************************ White sire could have been masking the sable. Chris K>> And, from the picture I saw of the sire, he wasn't a strong sable (agouti) pattern himself, which could lend one to think that the white was beginning to color pale the sable. If his sire were white, this certainly could have attributed to that effect. Having bred dogs for nearly 50 years I am familiar with, and have owned and produced (certainly something I am not proud of, but will admit to), color paled dogs. From my experience, color paling results from adding too much white to a breeding program that involves colored dogs. If you need the white to achieve certain attributes, as the majority of breeders in the 1950s did, that is fine, but the problem of color-paling arrises when the balance becomes one sided and off-balance, thus producing color-paled and failing pigment dogs. And also from my experience, if once color paling shows itself you continue to add white, you then will see a loss of pigment - white nails and eyes that are not black or are very light. Experience is a great teacher and one from whom a breeder can learn over the course of many years of trials and tribulations. Daphne Hereford Rin Tin Tin ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================