[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: bleeding after spay
- From: "Carl" <sanderhaus@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:37:39 -0400
you won't know but if she has progeny, she didn't bleed during the whelping
in excess....and after a heat cycle, litter and so on her numbers would go
UP so you probably would not know. i find it hard to believe she had an
issue and had whelped pups.
now the mode of transmission too will be a factor, so i guess i'd test them
to be sure they are ok and let it go. not much you can do. it's sad.
the bitch i was talking about was found with her pups. someone took her in
and placed the pups. i donated $100 towards her spay. she had a great home,
was taken to a northern va vet hospital, dropped off for the spay and was
dead in the morning. she was as backyard bred looking as one could imagine
with a wonderful temperament. i would doubt she had any known dogs that one
would recognize behind her if she was ever even registered or if her parents
were.
at least jean dodds would be able to answer general questions about when or
how one would bleed from it.
if you can post any of it if they are general answers, please do.
thanks
susan
www.sander-haus.com
Home of Sander-Haus German Shepherd Dogs
Quality West German Bloodlines
----- Original Message -----
From: <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Carl" <sanderhaus@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: bleeding after spay
Thanks, Susan. I placed a call to Jean Dodds right after this happened.
Unfortunately, she wasn't available and I had to leave a message. My gut
tells me we'll never really know exactly what happened to Ruffy, but we can
check her progeny for VW.
Paulette
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl" <sanderhaus@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: bleeding after spay
i don't know a heck of alot about and never read when they bleed, just that
they bleed. think of this, they open the dog up, they start to remove the
organs, start to tie off the bleeders after the big arteries and tack the
dog up. they check the dog before they leave, i'd think they'd palpate for
fluid in the abdomen and check the gums.
i have heard a true VWd dog will bleed when it cuts teeth as a pup.
the person i would ask would be jean dodds:
http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/HEMOPET.HTM
susan
www.sander-haus.com
Home of Sander-Haus German Shepherd Dogs
Quality West German Bloodlines
----- Original Message -----
From: <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Carl" <sanderhaus@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: bleeding after spay
According to the little research I've done re. von Willebrand's, she could
have displayed no signs of excessive bleeding during the surgery and then
bled afterwards. However, sometimes sutures are not properly placed or
break after surgery. The vet opened Ruffy up again and claimed he could
not find the source of the bleeding. Ruffy died shortly afterwards. I
don't think a necropsy will tell us anything because the vet went back in
and re-tied everything.
It appears the only definitive way to know for sure if a dog does has VW is
to perform genetic testing. Kim called the vet down in Florida, where this
happened, and he was not cooperative. He claimed it was too late to do any
testing seeing how Ruffy had been dead for an hour. I don't know about
that... We're going to test two of Ruffy's kids.
Paulette
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl
To: cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 2:39 PM
Subject: bleeding after spay
i know of one female who died at the vet's office and it was because the vet
didn't close her up properly inside.
she was a stray, purebred of unknown background.
while many GSDs are lower than they should be for the vwf factor, both
american and german lines, people don't know because they don't test and as
a dog ages, the numbers go up. so a dog that has had vaccinations and has
had a heat cycle and is now an adult will have higher numbers than it would
have had if tested as a 7 wk old puppy.
i find it odd that she didn't have excessive bleeding during the spay but
bled afterwards.
susan
www.sander-haus.com
Home of Sander-Haus German Shepherd Dogs
Quality West German Bloodlines
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