In a message dated 12/22/04 8:22:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx writes: .......except in the case that the Stud Dog Owner is also responsible for bringing more lives into the world and thus should be just as concerned about where and how the progeny of their stud dogs are raised. Doesn't that make them a breeder, of sorts? No, that makes them a responsible stud dog owner. The person who breeds to that stud dog is responsible for the litter, whelps the litter, finds homes for the puppies and is who decided to do the breeding. That makes that person the breeder. The stud dog owner can refuse to breed his or her stud dog to a bitch, that makes him or her a responsible stud dog owner, not a breeder. It is similar, (shut up Paul) to calling a sperm donor a Father. While the stud dog owner is responsible for allowing bitches to be bred to his or her dog, they are not responsible for the litter, what happens to the puppies or what is shown from the litter. That is why a stud dog owner is not an exhibitor, or a breeder. The AKC requires litters or champions to be bred by a person before they are licensed to judge. That is in recognition that owning a stud dog does not make you a breeder. It does carry responsibility to the breed, that should not be abrogated or denied. But, you cannot stand a dog at stud and then call yourself a breeder. Well, actually you can, but you also can stand a dog at stud and call yourself a genius. It does not make it true. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================