Evan posts... What Fred said, that we the judges are judging to establish what to breed to, is something I do not subscribe to. Fred responds... That is not what I said I said we judge to find the dog who most closely meets the requirements of the standard. Not the best showman. Now the people at that show may be looking for breeding stock or to see how what they own /bred stacks up with the competition. And they may or may not pay more attention to what the judge likes. Obviously they want the judges opinion or they would not be there. Now God forbid you would I know not tell people what to do with their breeding program. In fact you are always telling people NOT to pay any attention to you<G> . But if you like it or not you probably have influenced a breeder or two with your decisions as a judge. Fred Paul adds... Judge's are the "guardians" of any breed. By their selections...they are giving exhibitors and ringside bystanders an opinion that says these dogs are as close to the requests of the Standard as any dogs here. These are good dogs and if you were to emulate them...a Judge with the same knowledge would award them. The only problem with that analogy is their opinions are very subjective and based on their own interpretations of their respective Standards. But...Fred is right. If a breeder sees a dog receive an award from a Judge...it is an endorsement. If that breeder can use such a dog in his or her breeding program to improve their own dogs...well the answer is obvious. I have seen (as well as been involved in) shows where Judges offered truly varying or different opinions. I have judged dogs that looked "lazy" in some folks eyes. Lazy only because they were so efficient in motion. They went from point A to point B using 1/3 less steps than a dog who won the next day. My interpretation of the Standard coincides with the quote..."Covering the maximum amount of ground with the minimum number of steps". Speed burning quick steppers don't do well under me nor do they emulate the Standard. It is my hope that those breeders and interested parties do take heed to the selections of Judges they respect and adapt those dogs they can use to their own needs. Paul ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================