I agree. I had a rude awakening when showing a very young, headstrong, happy, vibrant "life is one big party!!!!" girl who was admittedly a great BIF pain in the a** for the handlers, I was told "we need to give her something". WHHHHAAAATTTTTTTTT? (Oh yeah, this was suggested ringside in a very matter of fact way. What does that tell you????) "WE" didn't give her anything. Ever. I got smart and I'd leave her outside overnight before the shows, she ran and played and played and ran and was toned down a few notches show mornings. (And she finished easily. And I absolutely loved the performance venue w/ this gal because she was just so "up" and ready to do whatever was asked.) It's not the dying by itself that's a problem. You can fix pigment in a generation. It's covering up the undesirable traits that's at issue, and that just happens to be one you can see pretty easily. Color and temperament are pretty easy chemical fixes. Pray tell, what about the things you can't see? And whenever this topic comes up, the conversation eventually evolves into the question "Are litters born today better overall that those in years past?" 10 years ago I might have said "yes". Now, I'm not that certain. I can't find a pedigree without bloat/torsion in the first 3 generations (including siblings). I've heard more about toxic gut in the last 2 years that I did in the prior 5. Lots and lots of GI problems and the special diets people go to great lengths to feed their "special needs" dogs....while admirable, it alarms me. (For the love of God, don't breed them!!!!!) Immune problems that I'd never heard of I now know how to spell. Reproductive vets are getting rich (and that ISN'T just because we're doing more chilled instead of shipping bitches). Missing teeth? An issue (again). Temperaments? Here too, I though we were making progress, but over the last few years I think we've taken a giant step backwards. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds In a message dated 10/5/2008 10:47:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes: Evan, IT IS CHEATING....IT IS CHANGING THE APPEARANCE OF THE DOGS, IT IS WITH DRUGS MASKING FAULTS OF TEMPERAMENT OR LACK OF DRIVE OR MASKING PAIN IN ORDER TO COMPETE. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================