Another common fault we are getting to see MORE and MORE is the front pastern is flipped UP in the follow through instead of BACK low to the ground in the exact same angle as the rear in it's follow through. Something is seriously out of sync with these dogs as that is a VERY inefficient follow through......same as the 'kick up' in the rear. There is no opening and full extension in the follow through of the pastern either.......the action is UPWARD and very incorrect!!! It amazes me that no one ever seems to notice this one. I don't know if it is from bad flat feet that cannot bear the weight of the dog and has to 'snap' the front foot up after the weight passes over it....or if the timing is off and it has to compensate with the split second timing of the rear and front being out of sync by flipping UP instead of back. in sync with the rear. I have a drawing I made on my FAQ's page on our site that shows the correct balance of a dog in full stride..... but not in the period of suspension......visualize that with the pastern bent UP in the follow through when seeing the line of balance....as in some of the photos on this site... . Don't even get me started on the flopping tails....... like rags flopping in the wind..........<G> ( PS....I added Carolyn McKenna's last name to her signature ......as mine is Carolyn M...also...<G> Carolyn Martello marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Harper To: carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 8:27 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT! Carolyn, This is a good explanation of correct movement put simply for easy understanding. , I keep seeing pictures produced in the review of dogs moving with their elbow "tucked" up next to the body instead of the front leg being straight out there with the foot low to the ground. Nancy----- Original Message ----- From: "carolyn mckenna" <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx> Denise, The hock joint connects the metatarsus to the lower thigh. Standing, the metatarsus is perpendicular to the ground and at a 90% angle to the lower thigh. A locked hock is one that keeps this position when moving; it is locked in this position. With proper drive and at full extension the bones of the leg should form a straight line from the pad to the top of the pelvis with no bend in the hock joint. The same is true of the front: from pad to the top of the shoulder blade should form a straight line with no bend at the elbow. A good place to see many moving dogs and compare is www.saranugent.com. Click on candids and movement. There are some locked hocks there and the dogs are not identified so no one is offended. Carolyn McKenna ---> ----- Original Message ---- > From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > That seems to be the case at many shows It appears to > me that in the> fascination for seeking the extra inch of front> extension..... our Breed is seriously> lacking in it's major force of movement...... .the> powerful rear thrust from a correct> and powerful driving rear......and a good back to transmit > that power through to > the front The best solution for many of the dogs is to> rotate the stifle outward in> the rear follow through to keep from dragging it's> toes..... > A dog like that cannot stop and twist and turn to herd> sheep... and we are losing the tails as rudders for balance.......they are more like a dead flopping rag. > No wonder our handlers are holding the dogs up and holding> them together to > navigate a few turns around the ring. No wonder> we're dependent upon our> handlers to have a powerful left arm......we don't have> that power in our dogs.<G> > Kill me now................<G>......I'm useless> on the food chain anyway.= <G> > > Carolynmarhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > www.Marhaven.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================