On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:17:06 EDT, ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote:=20 >The Breed club decided to eliminate that color, penalize the coat and =20 >eliminate the Red and White color. Now they are bringing it back, and =20 >thinking of changing the standard so the Red and Whites can be part of = the breed =20 >again. No no no no no! ;) Evan is absolutely correct in stating white with red was the original IS color which nearly went extinct! But the Irish Red & White Setter has long been established as a totally separate breed, both here and abroad. They won't be joining the Irish Setter anytime soon... unless you are talking about the Group ring. We like 'em just where they are and just the way they are! I sure hope they can join the AKC Sporting Group very soon! They're like our dogs' long lost relatives... ;) Karen C. ... Longtime setter owner and lover!! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================