In a message dated 11/12/2006 10:20:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, klite3gsd@xxxxxxxxx writes: I guess those people never left their dogs for a couple of days to return to that love. Cowboy and Kacy were ecstatic, you could see it in their faces. Sparkle jumped up and down, up and down, up and down, until I lowered my face close enough for her to kiss.... I know I'm preaching to the choir here - but there IS the Love Of A Dog and for me, that makes life completely worthwhile! Kim - Kimberlite We humanize the heck out of our dogs. It pleases us to do so! I know I'm guilty of it, lol. There's another side though, and while we may find it at first a bit off-putting, think it through... Have you ever sent a dog with a handler for a weekend or a few weeks, maybe even one who was born into your hands, who you thought their whole world revolved around you and only you??? I have, and much to my consternation (and not a little bit of hurt feelings!) my dog had a new best friend. He didn't miss me in the least...sigh:( Now the good news is the dog was happy, but I have to say my nose was a bit out of joint! Have you ever had a bitch in to be bred that within a day or two was your best friend, acting like she was born at your place, not a care for what she left behind? I have. Who hasn't? Much to the dismay of their owners I might add, who are worried "did Precious eat?" And are they happy to see their owners in a few days....sure. But would they have been unhappy if they didn't? No, I really can't say they would be. What about the war dogs in Iraq? I was amazed to learn that they work with one handler for months, then when that handler (hopefully!) goes home, the dog gets a new handler. Is there any loyalty or bond more important? Their lives depend on one another. What about seeing eye or service dogs? They usually have a foster family for maybe a year, then they transfer their loyalty to a trainer and finally they are paired with "their person" and transfer that loyalty once again. When you return (from even a short trip to the mailbox) your dogs make a fuss. Ears go back, head below shoulders, tails wagging and if you allow it, they usually will jump, kiss your face, and if you sit on the floor, they'll offer a belly to be rubbed. If you make a fuss back, you'll get high pitched yips. Sound familiar? What about that behavior? It's how submissive dogs (pack members) greet their pack leader, with submission, usually joy (and in some cases trepidation, ie. the dog that pees). The kissing near the face goes all the way back to puppies greeting their momma hoping she brought food. We humanize it, feeling welcome, needed, wanted, and it brings us joy, (well, not the youngster who pees!) but all the same their antics that we like to perceive as "oh I missed you, I missed you, my world revolves around you!!!!" are actually demonstrations of submission. It's a relationship that, I think, we make complex. Are dogs loyal? Absolutely. Can we say it's because they "love" us or are "bonded" to us? I like to think so, but I am also uncomfortably aware that those feelings can be transferred to another person or people, and in the examples I've given above, in a relatively short time. I also leave room that they are hard wired to the "pack" mentality and perhaps what we perceive in our human mind as love, loyalty, bonding, etc. is really their deference to a pack leader, doing what they must for the survival of the pack and maybe....just maybe.... I'm projecting emotions that I find fulfilling onto the dogs. No matter. They're my emotions and I find it fulfilling to project them. Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================