In a message dated 9/26/2006 8:51:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cleary1414@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: A stretch of the imagination? Maybe, but maybe not... No this is not a stretch of the imagination. It very well could happen. There are rescue people I know and have worked with (mind you I did not say friends) who if given the chance to visit many of your properties would declare you horrid "commercial breeders " or "backyard breeders" or "puppy mills" or "animal brokers" or any other stretch of what these terms REALLY mean. How dare you keep so many dogs outside in kennels (reality: they saw 7 dogs that were in outside kennels while you cleaned your house), how could you possibly give them the attention they deserve. OMG there was poop everywhere (reality: they saw a few piles since you last cleaned up 4 hours ago), they had NO food and were so thin you could see there ribs - they were starving (reality: it was 2 in the afternoon so of course they had no food down you feed twice a day and the dogs were lean or maybe like my River prefer to stay thin by boycotting anything that didn't come from McDonalds), they were unkept and in horrid shape (reality: some of them had some pieces of fluff sticking out of their hair as they are shedding right now getting ready to grow winter coats and you haven't had a chance to brush them out this week) and horrors - you breed them and the poor puppies were outside in a kennel (reality: they are spoiled rotten and live in your house but you refuse to keep them like moles in the basement so they are out sunning themselves) and the water was so filthy it was probably swimming with germs (reality: the puppies all went swimming in the dog bowl just long enough ago that they are now dry) Sound a bit out in left field, I have had this conversation with "rescue" people about dogs that were very loved and well cared for. There are more people in rescue that dramatize and spend their efforts doing and saying anything that gets attention than there are people trying to make a real difference the right way and where it counts and actions like the one Tammy Grimes took is in my opinion going to do more harm in reaching for appropriate laws that make it possible for real abuse to be investigated and offenders to face real consequences rather than generalized laws they can then twist around to their own benefit. I don't think anyone on this list feels that there should not be some way to stop abuse but the way people like Tammy Grimes want to run "rescue" is not in anyone who owns dog's best interests. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================