[ SHOWGSD-L ] Stop Already!/ incudes current and proposed sections for those interested
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- Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 10:02:56 -0400
All kidding aside Sue (and you might as well kid about it because you just
can't make this up), have you read the proposed changes?
Now, I agree, some of what people claim to "know" re whites is junk science
and I have deleted much over the past many days.
Let's get this right out in the open, the white gene for a GSD is a masking
gene and not a fading gene. Putting aside albinos (I've never seen one,
have you?) we don't have the same health risks some breeds experience
(deafness) in GSDs linked to the white (masking) gene. White dogs are no more
or
less healthy than BTs/Sables or Blacks.
There is a separate gene responsible for fading. You don't need to have a
white in your pedigree to get white toes or white on a chest or silver
where the tan/red should be (yuck!). 50+ years ago when the standard was
changed, some of the emotional issues raised had to do with beliefs which we
now
know were dead wrong. Dogs of any color can work and be of service. Got it.
On the other hand, although we know in the formation of any breed a variety
of dogs are used, "strong rich colors are preferred".
For me, I just never had to go any farther..strong rich color. Easy to
comprehend.
But.... this whole thing was handled VERY poorly. The initial draft was
returned by the AKC because of contradictions. Pretty embarrassing, right?
Did you get your Review? The current draft was supposed to be in there.
It's not.
Without boring everyone, let's just say I read the coat section numerous
times and I have no idea what a correct coat would be now. Seems long coat
is OK and not faulted (the word used is "permissable"), but lack of
undercoat will be faulty. There go bitches for 4 months out of the year.
Here is the coat section, current and proposed :
Current: The ideal dog has a double coat of medium length. The outer coat
should be as dense as possible, hair straight, harsh and lying close to the
body. A slightly wavy outer coat, often of wiry texture, is permissible.
The head, including the inner ear and foreface, and the legs and paws are
covered with short hair, and the neck with longer and thicker hair. The rear
of the forelegs and hind legs has somewhat longer hair extending to the
pastern and hock, respectively. Faults in coat include soft, silky, too long
outer coat, woolly, curly, and open coat.
Coat: Revised:
The ideal dog has a double coat of medium length; a long coat is also
permissible. The outer coat should be as dense as possible, hair straight,
harsh and lying close to the body. A slightly wavy outer coat, often of wiry
texture, is permissible. The head, including the inner ear and foreface, and
the legs and paws are covered with short hair, and the neck with longer and
thicker hair. The rear of the forelegs and hind legs has somewhat longer
hair extending to the pastern and hock, respectively. Faults in coat: soft,
silky, curly, open coat and lack of undercoat.
(For me, this is actually a more serious issue than if whites are a DQd or
a serious fault. Vicki and Julie have written outstanding commentary on
why coats are undesirable in a working breed and before anybody goes there a
long coat GSD has a very different coat than a rough collie or sheltie.)
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Here is the comparison of the current and proposed color section:
Color: Current: The German Shepherd Dog varies in color, and most colors
are permissible. Strong rich colors are preferred. Pale, washed-out colors
and blues or livers are serious faults. A white dog must be disqualified.
Color: Revised
The German Shepherd Dog varies in color, and most colors are permissible.
Strong rich colors are preferred. Liver, blues, whites and dogs without
predominantly black noses are very serious faults. Dogs exhibiting albino
characteristics are to be disqualified.
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Here are sections from the proposed head changes:
The expression keen, intelligent and composed. Eyes of medium size, almond
shaped, set a little obliquely and not protruding. The color is as dark as
possible.
(Can anybody tell me what "eyes dark as possible means"?)
And another on noses (proposed): A dog with a nose that is not
predominantly black is to be seriously faulted.
NOTE, THIS HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM DQs.
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We do have a problem in the current standard. We say blues and livers are a
very serious fault under color but in the section listing DQ's we DQ dogs
w/o a black nose. Well, that would automatically DQ livers and blues and
for 50+ years, livers and blues were considered a DQ because of their brown
or dusty grayish-blue nose.
Instead of tightening that up, and maybe because many whites we see have a
tannish-pink nose even when there hasn't been snow for six months, the
proposed standard (in the head section) now says:
"A dog with a nose that is not predominantly black is to be seriously
faulted."
And again, you'll note the "Dogs with noses not predominantly black" piece
has been removed from the disqualification section :
Current: Disqualifications: Cropped or hanging ears. Dogs with noses not
predominantly black. Undershot jaw. Docked tail. White dogs. Any dog that
attempts to bite the judge.
Revised: Disqualification: Cropped or hanging ears. Undershot jaw. Docked
tail. Dogs exhibiting albino characteristics. Any dog that attempts to bite
the judge.
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So....in addition to removing the DQ for whites the proposal would also
(over the nose thing) remove the DQ for livers and blues. Or would it? What
is one section gets passed and another fails. Another contradiction?????
And for what it's worth, no, this doesn't have anything to do w/ entries.
Having a dog that is primarily handler shown (and the expenses that
follow), the lack of economic recovery, families w/ two working parents and
over
scheduled children have far more to do with entries that the nuances and
back and forth over a standard and the horrific way the proposed changes have
been handled.
I need more coffee....
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/
In a message dated 8/4/2014 9:43:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx writes:
the GSD. If you all don't sound hateful I don't know who does! I
understand passions run high when we are talking about our dogs. But! you
have people on one hand who are talking nonsense when it comes to bring
white or blues or pandas into ones lines. They have had it explained how
it works and yet still insist on trying to convince people the same old
untruths.
Then we have the other hand who is trying to suggest that the board did
something illegal and perhaps they can get around the white vote that way.
You all sound childish. I bet there are people who are going to vote to
accept whites just because of all this bickering. Won't it be fun to sit
back and watch the fireworks begin!!
...and you wonder why entries are down at the shows...
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