[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Shoulders....and....
- From: "Kay Reamensnyder" <bedkar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "carolyn mckenna" <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx>, marhaven@xxxxxxx, SoilentGrn@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:36:02 -0800
Also, one must consider the forechest (prosternum).
There must be adequate forechest for the muscles to attach to.........
the upper arm doesn't just swing foreward....it must be pulled.
The shallower the forechest and the shorter the upper arm, the small the
muscle
and the shorter the reach.
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> [Original Message]
> From: carolyn mckenna <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <marhaven@xxxxxxx>; <SoilentGrn@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 11/17/2005 10:24:16 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Shoulders....and....
>
> Lissa, elbow moving beyond the vertical is a bit hard to explain
without a
> visual. What it means is that the elbow does not move forward to allow
> the upper arm to align with the blade. Or pehaps better put, it appears
> not to move forward. One should see space between the elbow and the
> brisket, lots of space. Otherwise, we sometimes say the dog is moving
from
> the elbow., which doesn't make a lot of sense either since the elbow
isn't
> really moving. LOL When the rear is truly driving , which is actually
the
> force that propels the body forward, the front must extend to absob
that
> thrust without shock . Of, course, if the rear doesn't drive, the
front
> doen't need reach and you achieve pitty-pat, like the average mutt
that
> is so clean going away. OTOH, if both ends are inadequate, you can
> have balance, not correct balance, but, oh, well, that's when moving
> them realy fast comes in handy. sigh
> Carolyn
> PS Someone please explain this elbow thing better.
> Carolyn <marhaven@xxxxxxx> wrote: All this discussion about
shoulder......and it really is simple....
> As Carolyn McKenna originally stated. First look at the lack of angles
in the
> posed photos. Many shoulders....or UPPER ARMS are angled straight up
from the
> elbow joint, & the neck comes up off the shoulder blade at a
perpendicular angle.
>
> The shoulder should have a nice angled 90 degree lay on......much like a
lever.
> The neck should come out of the shoulder blade at a nice angle....not
upright
> or perpendicular.......but more in line with the angle of the croup.
> Also, the upper thigh from the hip bone to the point of stifle is at the
same
> angle as the shoulder blade....and the upper arm is at the same angle as
the
> lower stifle or thigh. All this is all what makes the dog "BALANCED".
>
> When the dog trots, the shoulder blade and upper arm should "open up"
> like a lever. It opens up, and along with the angulated pastern reaches
> forward in direct relation to the rear propulsion and takes the
percussion,
> and softens the landing of the dog's body as it is propelled FORWARD by
the
> powerful driving rear. THAT is the job of the shoulder and its full
extension.
>
> Precision gait is when the shoulder opens up at EXACTLY the same extension
> as the rear drives forward....and the front foot should FOLLOW THROUGH,
> low to the ground and as far back in follow through as the diagonal rear
foot
> in its follow through...ideally also low to the ground. ( but often not,
on either)
>
> It is the REAR that is the driving force that propels the dog forward!!
NOT the
> front reach!!! The most important force in the ground covering gait of
the GSD
> comes from the rear....the transmission. The front just absorbs that
forward
> thrust to prevent a jarring gait. We will never get our shoulders and
front
> extension correct ...and precision balanced gait until we get it in our
rears!!!
> As long as we don't see that forward thrust as it propels the dog forward
we
> will continue to see a lot of flopping rears and backs, and withers that
drop
> and fronts that lift and pasterns that lift when they come off the ground.
>
> START with the rear drive.........THEN move forward.........
>
> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx
> www.marhaven.com
>
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:25 PMSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Shoulder
>
>
> > From: Peggy
> > One of the big clues as to whether the shoulder is really working
> > properly is if the elbow moves forward beyond the vertical...meaning the
> > angle formed between the upper arm and the shoulder blade really opens
> > up. If that elbow remains vertical then the shoulder angle is NOT
> > opening as it should.
> **************************
>
> > Can you please explain " The elbow moves forward beyond the vertical."
The
> > vertical of what? Do you mean beyond the vertical of the point of the
shoulder?
> > Lissa
> >
> >
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