we have gotten off on some kind of tangent here. i just looked at paula's ad. if i were new to the sport of dogs, i would learn, from the ad alone, that harley has finished his AKC championship, been herding tested, temperament certified and is OFA'd hips and elbows. i would know who owns harley and who has handled him, in what "type" of arena he has been shown and the names of some judges who have given him a win. now, paula says she is not a breeder - nothing wrong with that - not everyone wants to breed, can breed or should breed. it's a matter of choice and that's always good. BUT, again, if i am brand new to this and think that i might like to buy a dog like harley, i will not recognize the kennel name (if i even know what a kennel name is), "asgard" - i will not know that evan and tedi bred this dog. i will not know who harley's sire and dam are. paula is correct in that anyone can make a call. but, let's face it, we aren't always terrifically kind to newbies and some have been treated less than well. maybe there is someone out there who has their foundation bitch and absolutely falls in love with harley because they saw paula's ad. they don't have enough info on harley as a potential sire for a litter because they have no pedigree info at all. i think that most of us were simply trying to say that certain info is invaluable to the fancier and the pedigree is the basis of that info. i'm probably going to get flamed for this but i am thankful that paula put harley's full registered name in her ad and NOT just his call name. I have seen too many ads that seem to be targeting the absence of the breeder - it's petty, nasty and those of us who have been around for what feels like forever are completely turned off by it. we are also savvy as to who is doing this and why. anyway, jmo on the subject diane, who ADORES harley's sire - he is one of the most wonderful "people" i have ever met Diane Silver-Strasser Silstra German Shepherds http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com In a message dated 9/18/2009 12:50:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: So, am I to assume that perhaps we should change our club name to The German Shepherd Dog Breeders Club of America, Inc.? Perhaps Susan should stop accepting any money for ads that are not for Stud Dogs and puppies for sale?? You don't have to knock me upside the head more than 3or 10 times before I learn my lesson!! If there isn't any room for proud owners/exhibitors, so be it. Keep breeding and I hope you find lots of us suckers to spend their money building your ROM's and other records. I can easily find other places to spend my money. Paula, 24 days and counting ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: September Review Ad Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:45:29 -0700 A great appealing Ad Ann & Val Great photos of your wonderful dog......the pedigree and all the pertinent information. "That's all that matters" in an Ad....................<G> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ (http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================