[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Secondary sex characteristics
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- To: <culzeans1@xxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:59 -0400
In a message sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:12 PM
Pam <culzeans1@xxxxxxx> writes:
In my limited experience, I like a kind of doggy bitch who can move. I think
they produce a more masculine male without necessarily throwing too
masculine of a bitch.
In my super-duper limited experience, I'd like to chime in here because my
partner and I have been discussing this topic for weeks...
I too have been concerned about male heads that don't look so male. I've
talked to several long-time, successful breeders about this problem. They
all said to improve the secondary sex characteristics of males (especially
heads), one must use a somewhat "doggy" bitch.
According to some, the current trend is to breed "typey little bitches" that
can fly around the ring. Consequentially, the masculinity of dogs have
suffered.
I have a typey little bitch who can fly and I wouldn't trade her for the
world, but my partner and I are planning to look for a little bit of a
"doggy" brood bitch to add to our breeding program. (Or lease such a
bitch.) Anybody have one of these? LOL
Of course, as Doris pointed out, this could very well backfire on us...
Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member
Allemande German Shepherd Dogs
Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam
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From: <culzeans1@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:12 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #1823
In my limited experience, I like a?kind of?doggy bitch who can move. I think
they produce a more masculine male without necessarily throwing too
masculine of a bitch.? I like a masculine male. I love when he looks at you
and says, I am the man!? You know when you look at?the dog you know he is a
male, there is no mistaking him for a female! ? And I think?I will try not
to err but if I am going to err I will try to error in favor of strength.
Pam
Msg: #2 in digest
From: Scharo777@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:37:11 EDT
Subject: Secondary sex characteristics
My Opinion Only:
When we started showing, G.V. Lakeside's Harrigan was "THE" dog to breed?
to.
He was most handsome and he had just gone Grand Victor.? Many? many people
bred to him and bred his kids.? Unfortunately males tended to? become , lest
say, on the refined side.? Then Sundance Kid appeared on the? scene and
everyone
bred to him and he definitely brought back strong, masculine?
characteristics.
We were taught that males and females should move differently.? Males?
should
move with power.? Bitches should be more fleet.
When breeding for movement only, sometimes you can loose? masculinity.,? The
words of the famous and infamous LAMAR always come to? mind:? "If it moves
like a bitch, it generally looks like a bitch"
Everyone will find their own combination to what works, but we frequently?
think of the words of Lamar.
Carol Moore
In a message dated 7/25/2008 9:29:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time,?
irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Barbara? Galasso wrote:
> I was wondering what everyone thought about the? secondary sex
> characteristics of our dogs today. I have to be very? honest, many times
> I will see a picture that someone advertises and I? have to look twice to
> see if it's a male or female. The body may look? nice, but then I see a
> narrow bitchy looking head on some of the? males. I on the other hand
> own a big brood bitch type with a head the? size of a male. When she was
> a little puppy, I used to keep lifting? her rear legs to check that she
> wasn't really a male! LOL! She should? be good to breed to some of the
> males with a less than desirable head!? I have to say, I really like a
> male to have a good looking head. He? should never be considered pretty,
> but instead be called handsome.? JMHO, Barbara
>
> __._,_.___ *Just remember that two wrongs do not? make a right.? I see
> a lot of breedings compensating,? supposedly, for a problem, and then
> making the problem worse.?? Less desireable to correct would be the way
> to go.?? Doris? Estabrook*
>
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