Mike..I agree..it is amazing that people can make statements implying that I bred to a certain dog and had "no" problems"..then I bred to a different dog and had "problems" A big part of being a good and ethical breeder is recognizing issues in your bitch line..and not assigning blame solely on a stud dog. Most if not all health issues that occur..occur because BOTH the sire and dam carry the gene for it yes in some cases..some bitches and dogs do seem to produce and inordinate number of the same health issue..but none the less..as Mike states..it takes two to tango. ..Being a bitch owner..and a stud dog owner..I have been on both sides of the fence. I put breeders who assign blame in the same category as parents who think their children can "do no wrong.." C.Grainger > [Original Message] > From: <lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx (Lindenhill German Shepherds)> > To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 4/7/2005 1:06:52 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Rose Colored Glasses > > 2040A0E080C0703@xxxxxxxxxxx> > X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) > X-Authenticated-Sender: bWljaGFlbC5tZXR6QGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 > X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > X-archive-position: 15101 > X-Approved-By: wynsum@xxxxxxx > X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 > Sender: showgsd-l-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Errors-to: showgsd-l-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > X-original-sender: lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx > Precedence: normal > Reply-to: lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx > X-list: showgsd-l > > We keep a spread sheet(I know I am a bit fanatical about spread sheets) on= > each of our studs. Recording all litter/progeny information provided by t= > he litter owners. > > That info is available to bitch owners upon request. > > I then use the same criteria to ask stud dog owners about any issues they = > have produced. > > Our first objective, is to avoid doubling up on any known problems we may = > have on the bitch side. And, second is to hopefully not introduce anyt iss= > ues, we might have to deal with down the road. > > Stud dog owners seam to handle this in one of two ways, either with comple= > te honesty, or in a very defensive nature. > > Folks it takes two to tangle... > > Moving forward, continguing to improve is what drives us as breeders and h= > opefully leaving the breed in better shape then when we began. > > Mike and Sheila > Lindenhill > > > > Doctor Kruger, I agree with you. I am finding it hard to find a good dog= > to > > breed to without serious health problems. I have recently bred to a dog= > , that > > to date, I can honestly say has given me very few problems and good qual= > ity > > animals , but there comes a time when you have to go somewhere else.= > I find > > that often people don't tell the truth and they hide the true cause of d= > eath of > > well known dogs, making up a entirely different cause of death. I als= > o think > > that it is the responsibility of owners of popular stud dogs to autopsy= > them > > and give the cause of death. It certainly might change how his progeny w= > ill be > > bred in the future, if at all. I have also heard people say, "But my b= > itches > > don't carry it:", yeah right, I said that once a long time ago and boy d= > id I get > > a shock. = > > > Ann > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================