In a message dated 1/18/05 8:31:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, solanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: << LTD Registration IS NOT enough! >> The Limited only prevents them and their progeny from being shown in AKC(conf) it does not mean they can't/won't be bred and the puppies sold as unregistered and yes there is a market for unregistered pets I've seen a couple of ads for them at $250. How many times have we been told by buyers that they didn't care about papers? To keep puppies past 4-6 months until they can be spayed/neutered isn't something most us want to do. Most people want the puppies at the cute cuddly 8-10 week age. Like I said before when this topic was brought up if AKC will allow me to do it and if it's legal my next litter will be sold on spay/neuter contracts and I will withhold registration papers until my wishes are met. AKC requires you to give(if the papers aren't back yet)a bill of sale with names and numbers of the sire and dam so that doesn't solve a damned thing. This has been a pet peeve I retract that a bitch of mine for years. Bob Neiman ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================