I honestly don't understand this 'rationale'. For some time whites were NOT a DQ ....for many years we were at the # 3. It never worked well... whites mostly were never accepted Also....it DID go to the membership and that is how & why we have the DQ!! So...this is not moving forward... this is going backwards. Of course they have the DNA of a GSD. Some were used in the development of the Breed...along with a lot of dogs that do not represent what the GSD is today. GSD's with all kinds of serious and DQ faults share the same DNA! I'm curious as to how have the whites "missed" some of the health issues our GSD's are "plagued" with? If that is truly the case...wouldn't they be BETTER OFF becoming a separate Breed ...free of many Standard GSD problems? Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of AGray40366@xxxxxxx To: arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx I have found the same thing and also agree just go with option #3 and see what happens. my rationale: When I started in gsd, I had sables, I still love sables, and was told certain judges wouldn't put up a sable, my mentor in gsd's thought they were really wolves (because of the freq shy temperament some of them had) Sure enough judges didn't put up bad or mediocre sables but really outstanding ones, no one stood in the way. therefore: If you are judging them and don't like them, don't reward them, if you are an exhibitor, and don't like them, don't show them or breed them. and who else does it really matter to? Judges, and breeder/exhibitiors? Oh I forgot if you a handler and don't like them, don't show them. (Although they could be a real boon for handlers, as it is now most white shows are owner handler-no professionals in UKC, and frankly some of them would have a hard time in regular ring and might need to resort to "professional handlers" and increase the client load of handlers, an untapped potential perhaps.) Don't really see how that would affect the show ring or the breeding program of fanciers. I spent some time and money looking up the the pedigrees of a lot of whites on akc website, they really do have gsd dna, they have the same parentage found in my dogs. The breeders do a lot of health screens and checks, more that me sometimes, and frankly I have had over 35 yrs every ailment imaginable I think found in our lines, and I think some of the whites have missed some of the things we are plagued with, Ann Gray- I was going to stay out this time but just couldn't resist *************************************** In a message dated 8/4/2013 11:13:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, arcturusgermanshepherds@xxxxxxxxx writes: .... Many owners would even argue our standard is wrong, nonetheless, we are a group of people who have come together to forward what they think is the best interest of the German Shepherd. So, lets move forward with that. Let our membership decide what they think should be done with the White Shepherds. 3. Accept them as a fully recognized German Shepherd, with no disqualifying .fault ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================