Listers Thru the National, and ever since, there seems to be a huge discrepancy about what the right procedures are, and the handling of the regular and non-regular classes and how to make those results comply with Parent club regulations AND not get in trouble with AKC. So here are some questions that need answering. I will be curious to see the responses, and maybe we can all learn something. I warn you, I asked 5 different judges and got 5 different responses. 1- Best Puppy (non regular class). If you kept up with this topic, you know even AKC didn't have a standard answer. So, if a puppy wins WD or WB, they are automatically BP, and if they win RWD or RWB the other pup of the same sex should be excluded from BP competition. This years results non withstanding ,as AKC doesn't record this class. Is this the final answer? 2- Veteran Classes. Do they come back in for BOB (regular class), even if they were eliminated from the Select (non regular class). And can we please show Veterans on half rings? It is a crime to make these old guys and gals run the whole ring. Let them shine with as much comfort as possible, they earned it, don't you think? 3- WD and WB. Do they automatically go Select just as a "tradition". My answer to that, by the way, is no, we are judging dogs, not tradition. And if either WD or WB goes select, does that automatically makes them BOW?. I guess if both go Select is back to square one. 4- In the Stewards Club I belonged to there are specific instructions from the judges before judging begins. Are they going to allow late entries, are they going to allow handlers changes, what to do when there are too many animals. Do they stay in catalog order, male first or vice versa. All the little things that make it all run smoother. Can we create something like that, something standard that every judge can work with and eliminate the confusion that's bound to happen in a ring that busy and with classes that big. 5-Are these issues in the P&P, and if not, can they be incorporated? Can we add these answers to possible issues to the judges contracts? 6- More importantly, when any of these questions arise, who has the final word and do all the stewards and the judges know who that person is? I am looking for real, sensitive and productive answers. All others please save it, we have had enough bitching for now. Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================