Evan and I have debated this a bit. He is right, in some ways, (Gawd, I hate to admit that) but, I do not think of these accumulated "extra" points as "depriving" other dogs of points. Harley now has, as of July 25, 2010, 51 Grand Champion points, including 8 major wins, under 8 different major judges and 18 total judges, with champions defeated at 12 different events. It does seem odd that the AKC keeps tallying these points. Perhaps there will be rankings based on total Grand Champion points? One good thing is that this method ensures that the Grand Champion title is NOT a cheap title and will be harder to achieve in the future. JMO, of course. Paula, 62 days and counting Home of Best in Show, Best in Specialty Show, Multi-Group Winning, GSDCA Dual Title Award Recipient, AKC JAM/AOE, International and American Champion, Grand Champion Asgard Harley Davidson v Plamark, HT, PT, CGC, TC, HIC, OFA CHIC #64047 (Hips, Elbows, Cardiac, & Thyroid), DNA tested clear of the long-coat factor. #1 Male German Shepherd Dog in the Country, #4 German Shepherd Dog in the Country, as of 6/30/10 (Canine Chronicles) First male German Shepherd Dog Grand Champion. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: ELG440@xxxxxxx Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:09:51 EDT Subject: Question-Group Wins and More Does anyone have an opinion of the Grand Champion points? I know that even after becoming a Grand Champion, those looking for Best of Breed, Group wins, and Best In Show are in the regular show and get "extra" Grand Champion points. While I understand it, there seems to me to be a void looking for a cure. Had that point not gone to a dog that doesn't need it, it might have gone to another dog that was looking for his or her Grand Championship. I know when I judged in Ohio, I would have given Grand Champion points to at least six entries. I wonder if the AKC has considered a solution? Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c61e8a8d1fb0683a5ast01duc ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================