Carolyn, So nice to see an outstanding POSITIVE post by someone that is actually competing in the show ring and at the National. Ann www.edangsd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx, Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx Cc: pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:28:06 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Question for the PC re: those who are not re-newing the... I don't think the Parent Club strong arms anyone to join the GSDCA, Inc.....nor do they penalize members but actually strive to reward members. This Club even gives out a Certificate of Recognition if a dog lives to be 13 years!! . It seems more than reasonable to me to expect the GSDCA, Inc. Awards to be given to members only. They ARE Parent Club Awards!! Our LOCAL Clubs pretty much make the same requirements..... even to the point of requiring members to attend at least a certain number of meetings per year in some Clubs. WHERE or WHO the dog lives with of course..... should NOT be an issue. When this discussion comes up.......be sure to read your January minutes and see how many Awards Chairs and Chairs and Committees are assigned to work on these Awards and Titles that are given out at a pretty good expense to our Club. The List is long and is a big part of the beginning of every year and every new Board with President and Officers finding new Chairs...and Committees. I know how hard our ROM Chair works year round on the ROM Awards. It is time consuming and a lot of work and research keeping constant records for people who don't even send the dogs name or parents to her when asked. A LOT of time and work AND expense goes into any plaque or Award..... making sure the records are complete....accountability to the Parent Club Board, and the owner/ breeders and making sure every name and title and owner is spelled correctly and at great expense in ordering and shipping.........on ANY Award.....and the care involved in giving them and taking care of them till the new owner has them in their hands. For Select Excellent which is awarded that day we even have a Chair that must have records kept on all dogs show that are OFA and have that information available and ready the day of the show......there is just a lot of work and workers behind every single Award...... Our membership dues are reasonable and we get a great GSD Magazine along WITH the dues. IF our Review is failing.....it is because we are not advertising! We all have reasons.... from finances to maybe no dog to advertise......but this is not the Parent Club nor the Review Editors fault. It's OUR Magazine! We have hard working Board members, Officers, Chairs, Committee members that work every single week on research, the web site, Educational Seminars, etc....making sure the events, records and awards are handled as quickly and correctly as they can manage and they spend a lot of time doing this. Are they perfect............NAW.........are we perfect...........NOT!! <G> But It's OUR CLUB and to penalize one of the greatest Dog Clubs in AKC because we are angry at a few by not joining....or not re-newing..........pointless ........and a real loss to a great Club and hardworking caring members. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Hickoryhill To: Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx Cc: pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Question for the PC re: those who are not re-newing the... In my opinion the policy should be changed. The breeder of said dog or bitch should be a member of the GSDCA. Period. If the breeder is a member, the dog or bitch should get the award no matter where it resides, even if it resides with non-members. Penalizing the breeder and the dog for where the dog resides, does a diservice to both and does not capture the essence of what the award should be about. Trying to strong arm others into joining the GSDCA by not giving the award to those who deserve it only results in more people quitting, not more people joining. Who wants to either join or maintain membership in an organization that fails to recognize flawed policy that penalizes its members? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx Page 53 P&P ROM Plaques, Awards and Stipulations for GSDCA non members our current policy requires all recipients of GSDCA awards be a member of the GSDCA, including but not limited to ROM AOE, Dual Title Awards and any pins or certificates of achievement. Diane Silver-Strasser In a message dated 8/25/2010 7:53:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: So, if a non-member's dog goes Select at the National, is the Rosette withheld and the dog not listed in the Review with the other Select winners, and can that non-member use the GSDCA "title" Select in their advertising and on the dog's pedigree? I have never seen a list of Select winners where there was a place missing. If the GV's owner(s) are not GSDCA members, do they just say BOB or BOS, but not GV or GVx? Do they still get the Von Stephanitz trophy? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ -- Ann www.edangsd.com Home of AOE Sel Ex Ch Gilley,Sel Ex Ch Maxwell,Sel Ch Kobe and Sel Ch MmmMmm Good, #1 dam Muggles, Breeder-owner 0f 72 champions and 19 ROMs. Proud receipient of Lloyd Brackett Award ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================